6.11 I Ink Therefore I Am with @pattys_toybox

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It’s. A bit of a a car video, a car

guy reel that I get, but it’s like some young kid who somehow has like a really high-powered like BMW and like all the content is just like constantly getting pulled over by the police and he’s like. See, it’s actually illegal. It’s like. Straight out of the factory comes like this and they’re like, they’re like look at the car for 20 minutes and just go like, please be safe.

Oh. God I don’t get any cars that stuff on my algorithm like. What are you what? Are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s true. Now that we’re talking. About it, yeah. You’re gonna go home and be like, it’s a cause. They’re on to me. Yeah, so is this. Y’all are gonna be on motorcycles. Yeah, exactly right. Little motor to get. The motorcycle just to ride a moped.

Exactly. Motorcycle license. Yeah, you have to get a motorbike license. Sure. So the whole license process here in Australia is like so next level compared to America. Yeah. Like I don’t even, I got my license when I was 16. I like barely remember. Like that’s so funny. Even doing the like test. Yeah, right. Go. Yeah. Wow. They’re just like, go ahead. Yeah, Have fun, right?

Wow. But here it’s like you have to get like 7 different licenses. Before you, yeah, absolutely. And there’s all these and it still doesn’t make the roads. Face. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I’ve only driven in Sydney a few times and I’m like. This is scary. Yeah, it’s scary. It’s a scary city. I’m teaching my neighbor to drive right now and people like just in this cute little leafy suburb are like. Get the fuck up you.

Don’t have to listen to them. Don’t listen to them, Right. Yeah. Yeah. It’s crazy. Yeah, it’s weird. Yeah. It’s a funny, funny place for it. So you’re, you’re from the States, is that right? Where were you born? In Virginia. Wow. OK. And when did you like? So you grew up there and you went to school and stuff there? Yeah, I grew up in Virginia Beach. OK. And then I moved to Richmond,

which is the capital city in Virginia, and went to school there. So I lived there from 2012 until like 20/20/19. Oh, OK. Yeah, right. Yeah. And then I moved to New York, and my first night in New York I

actually fell in love. Oh my God. And amazing. He is from Australia, so. You’re kidding. In six months, I like, moved here. That’s beautiful. What the fuck? It was so Carrie. Brad Yeah, yeah, yeah it. Was like, wow, I love doors. Yeah, yeah, all of the ROM com I love. It, Oh my God. And it worked.

It’s beautiful. It worked. But we broke up. But Oh no.

It worked. It worked well. You got to Australia. That’s pretty cool. Yeah, totally. That’s so. Funny, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that’s. What brought me here originally? And then kind of I spent like a few years here because I, I actually moved here and then like a few months later COVID happened. So I moved here in the January and then I think it was like March that all happened.

So it’s kind of stuck here, but also like wanted to be here. So cool. Yeah. And I went back to America for a few years and then I just came back again about a year ago. Cool. So I’ve been like back and forth a little bit. Yeah, cool. I like it here. Yeah, it’s nice. Hey, I mean, I’ve never been to America. I can’t compare, but life is

pretty good here. Yeah, it’s lovely. It’s lovely. And like America, obviously, like I miss my friends and family. A little bit, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But yeah, I feel like I’m generally like more well here, so I try and. Yeah, cool. Yeah, cool. And what about your, like, work as a tattooist? Like when did that start? That all started in 2020 as

well, yeah. Yeah, wow. OK. When? COVID happened because I kind of had always wanted to get into it or like in the back of my mind, but it’s kind of like hard to break into unless you like kind of know someone or like really, you know, unless someone like takes you under their wing. Well, in Virginia at least, it’s kind of different, like state to

state. America, they’re like the sort of there’s. Different laws about it, like yeah, yeah, OK, but. The like the whole apprenticeship process is pretty like grueling and like intense. Yeah, yeah. When I graduated art school in 2016 in Richmond, I like, I remember like vaguely going around to a couple shops with like my like, sketchbook and

being like, I want to be a tattoo artist and they’re kind of just like you. What? Like they’re like, sure, Right. Yeah, exactly. So I just never I guess like all the like kind of blockages I. See what you mean? It’s like we only really hire our friends to, like, work with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe a bit of that, yeah. Like common pipeline, like art? Like was that like a fine art

degree like ABFA you did or? No, so I went to I, I got my BFA in the department. It’s called kinetic imaging. So it’s like animation and music and OK like video. Yeah, cool. I don’t know why they call it kinetic imaging. It’s like just call it like animation or something Kinetic. Yeah.

Moving the moving image. Yeah, that’s. Great. Good enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I’d always drawn, like, throughout my whole life. And then when I went to art school, I was kind of like, maybe I should do something like on the computer that like, feels like it would be like lead to a career. But then by the time I finished art school I was like fuck this. Yeah.

And now I’m doing the drawing thing as my career, so it’s a bit like backwards. That’s interesting. I’d like to say more about that. What’s How dare you ask me that first time? Yeah, I, well, when COVID hit, I was kind of like, I think around that time I like realized and or

noticed that you can just like buy gear online and I think like the whole DIY tattoo culture started to really like bubble over in the last like 5-8 years. So when COVID happened, I was like, oh, great time for me to like try it out. Cool. Yeah, just like on yourself or

something. Yeah, so like, yeah, people are like, did you do your own tattoos? I’m like, yeah, but like, don’t look at them because they’re all just like, so shit. I mean, I think. It’s beautiful. You have beautiful tattoos. Yes, they are. Yeah. It’s something that I’ve always wanted to do is get like a gun from a tattoo gun, I should say, from Amazon, and just fucking go

crazy. Like I just, it looks like so much fun. Yeah, it was. I kind of like was a bit, I was like, oh I love to draw so it’ll be easy to tattoo. And I remember like the 1st tattoo I did on myself, I was like shaking and like being like ow it was this little bow here. Was it? Oh that looks pretty good for a 1st tattoo. Thank you, I definitely like was going too deep into the skin

that’s when it starts to like bleed out. Over time. Gotcha. That’s when you like, go past the, like, top layers or whatever. But I see. But yeah. And then it just kind of grew from the first year or so. It was just like tattooing myself and like my partner and like, friends at the time and, you know, getting drunk and being like, let’s tattoo.

It wasn’t about like a thing. And then it just kind of got a little better and got a little better and. I’ve never like fully processed this. So there is no like thank you sketchbook for the tattoo artist, right? Is that like it has to be? Can we get like a piece of? Yeah, maybe you could run us through something like Aiden doesn’t you don’t have any

tattoos do. You. Yeah. Well, so one of the reasons I really wanted to speak to you is because I was speaking with an artist on the show and I started mentioning something about tattoos. Like, a guy I worked with had, like, the cobweb tattoos. And I vaguely remembered from them telling me that, like, they had like, this very particular history was like, trad tattooing.

But I knew as I was speaking, I was like, damn, I know nothing about this. I have no tattoos. I was like, damn, I really want to, like, learn a little bit more about this culture. Crazy. But I also worked in a prison for a bit. And obviously some tattoos were like, a big thing that, like, everyone was, like, doing their own tattoos or it was just a huge part of the culture there. So yeah, I guess as someone who

really doesn’t know anything about how this works, but has also recently started like drawing in the last year, that’s kind of where I’m coming from. Right, Cool. Do you think you’ll lead like are you like wanting to get into the? I would like a tattoo. I’d like to get one. Yeah. I had a roommate who was doing like stick and pokes. One time she was doing a stick and poke on her dad. That was very cool. Cute.

That was. That was really sweet. So yeah, no, I haven’t really thought about doing it. But yeah, like that just struck me as like there is no sketchbook. Like, do you go straight to someone as your first tattoo? Like is that how it? Works. Oh, right. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can get like fake skin and like, people practice on like, fruits and stuff. Fruits.

Yeah. Like I’ve heard that that’s like a tattoo up, like an orange or banana practice.

But I’ve never used fake skin or fruit. But like, I hear that it’s kind of like more so just to get used to like holding the machine and like the way that you like need to move. But like, yeah, I’m sure it’s way different than actually, you know, like a person is a person and it’s like a lot of they’re alive. A lot of it comes down to the like, yeah, I never really.

But as I got into it, I was like, Oh my God. So much of it is actually just like, kind of like people skills and like care, like making sure people are comfortable and like, interesting cuz like, I think, you know, like traditional tattoo culture has been very macho and like that kind of like a bit intimidating. Like I remember like, like, you

know, being 1819, like going into shops and with like girlfriends and stuff and like being a bit like, just feeling weird. Yeah. And like the artist like saying like weird things sometimes or like making people feel, you know. So once it started to become something that I was, I was like, I’m doing this. I was like really trying to be

cognizant of like not being having an intimidation kind of which like not saying that like all traditional tattooers, you know, obviously. But just the like the funny. Vibe of like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. Remember the 2000 tens before, like things were being talked about? It was like maybe that was the conception of, like, getting a tattoo was like maybe a little

bit scary. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, Yeah. And there was definitely that, like, sort of for sure like a macho thing. I remember walking into like places like maybe to like get a quote or to get like, yeah, just to get an idea of what it would be like. And everyone was just looking at you like. Yeah, you’re totally. Mugging you and it’s like. I don’t. I mean, I feel that way even just going to like the bank or

like to get a haircut, you know, like I’m always feel like I’m gonna get like, I don’t know. Yeah, the bank and the haircut are, yeah, scary. Places I walked into Barber shops. Yeah, they’re intimidating. It’s. Threshold. It’s really. Important you know what’s going through my mind is last year we watched the SpongeBob movie or we started this. I love that movie. And they go into some like tough saloon, remember?

And I used to thinking all the scary fish are like tattooed with like workers and stuff. It’s like one of the big symbols of that, you know, extreme masculinity. And then SpongeBob are like the little cutesy, like they don’t have any. They’ve got like stick on tattoos or something to say. Oh, I need to watch that, I love SpongeBob. Oh my God, turn around,

SpongeBob tattoo reveal for the audience. Oh, that’s great. I haven’t kept up with his journey though. I really need to check back in. In Yeah. Bikini Bottom the movie was really The 1st 10 minutes are just like an action pack. Like not actually. It’s like joke, joke, joke. Sure. Really funny, yeah. Well, because they’ve done a few movies, right?

I remember 1 came out when I was like, still, yeah anyway. We watched the 1st. 10 That’s the one. Is that OK? Right. And they’re on kind of like a epic journey. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, and it kind of flashes into like real spot. Yes, it comes into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That detail to come. Back to me. I remember That was huge for me. Yeah.

Did you all have that show Dexter’s Lab? Yeah. Growing up? Dexter’s Laboratory, yes. There’s one episode where was it? Dexter’s Lab. It was one of those shows, I think it was. But there’s one episode where, like, he had to get a tattoo to join this, like, biker gang. That’s funny. And he was like, really obviously, like, you know,

scared to get it done. So he just gets, like, a little gingerbread man on the tip of his finger. And then he goes back to the biker gang, and they’re like, I remember that’s the toughest tattoo we’ve ever seen. Yeah. It’s just a little gingerbread on the finger. Yeah. That stuck with me as it gets. So funny, I thought I wasn’t going to remember that one, but I definitely saw it. Yeah, I was an avid Cartoon Network watcher as.

Totally the early ones. Were yeah, when I was a kid and I was like, thank, I didn’t realise it was like a bit of a status symbol when we were growing up. Like, because everyone’s like we fucking hate. That. Yeah, Yeah. My fancy friends. I was joking. We don’t have that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was joking with someone recently. This might be a bit of an Australian thing, but I was joking with someone recently about like, oh, he’s got like a

Channel 7 mum and she’s got like an SBS mum. So actually that’s not like I feel like a monkey boy was was doing that on on Instagram. Yeah, lol there were some really strange cartoons in that era. Like Brandon Stimpy was really fun, really fucking. Yeah, Brandon Stimpy was on in the hospital when my sister was being born.

Whoa. She’s 10 years younger than me and I was like 10. And I turned it. Off all I remember was two things from that night, one like waiting alone, watching red and Stimpy and I even and I didn’t really like it you. Get it? Yeah. And then just seeing my sister be born and I. Just thought she was like, hopefully that’s one of the things. Yeah, she. Looks like. Brandy. She looks like Stimpy. Like she looks like some shit out of fucking.

Which ones which I forget. But she was the little one but when she was first born. I think Rand is the little one, Dimpy’s the big red one. She would get a little like Chihuahua rapper. Yeah, she was. What is that? Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know. Yeah, it’s unclear. One of my cats killed and left a mouse this morning on the front step. As an offering, of course.

Yeah, which I hear is like a sign of respect. It’s a sign of great. It’s it’s, it’s like a sort of condescending sign of. OK, yeah, sure. I was just having this conversation the other day about cat because I was cat sitting. Yeah, I’m like, do we? I feel like cats own when they’re people, yeah, you know? True, not the other way around. I lived in this apartment when I

was in New York. There were six of us, and four of the people had cats. And there was a poster on the wall that said cats have two lives. There’s an hour. That’s funny and. That stuck with me. I’m like, cats really. Do they? Do they own their own? They have an interior world. Dogs do not have that. Yeah, yeah. I think that’s why, like, I’ve

always had a bit of an issue with the concept of pets, but cats, like, make the most sense to me for that that reason. It feels like yeah. They’re doing their own thing. It’s their world we’re just living in. It Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cats are cool. Yeah. Our neighbor has a cat that I’ve been I’ve really have been. I’m not like this around cats, but I’ve been making a concerted effort to try and befriend to

this cat and it’s just like, not interesting. I’m too like loud and fast. Moving right, you have to play it cool like. Yeah, yeah, I literally do. Yeah. It like sort of snuck up on me one time and I turned around and then just the action of turning around nearly made it jump 6 feet in the air and molded. I was like, I’m so sorry. I don’t even know your name right. Cute.

So but as well as like doing tattoo stuff. I see like you know what you could just call visual. Art on your. On your Instagram, like, yeah, so you also have like a like an art practice. Like I guess they’re connected though. Yeah, yeah. Well, I’ve only had my own studio space for the first time like this past year.

Cool. So that’s kind of like prompted me to, yeah. Because since 2020, like, most of my, like, creative energy has gone into tattooing. And so I’ve been like, let me like, get in touch with my inner child and, like, do some colouring, you know, do some

stuff that’s not like, you know, like drawing to become, flash to become, you know. So the last year or so I’ve been getting into like, yeah, like lots of colour pencil drawing and some painting and yeah, just trying to branch. Out a little beautiful I I really I really like what what I

was seeing like on on your Instagram it’s aw thank you the it’s very like jolly sure I love this yeah totally yeah the the that is a really cool one actually that one. ‘S that. Yeah, Yeah. I’ve been like, really into the holiday kind of imagery, but it’s like, kind of hard to make it not just be like, dollar

store decor, you know, like, how can I paint Santa but make it like, not be like, Merry Christmas? Yeah. I don’t even really care about Christmas either, but like Santa’s kind of like, hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it’s just like, it’s such an iconic. Yeah, like a big like burly man coming down my chimney, like. Yes.

Oh yeah, like. I want that to happen. That’s funny. I never even told about it like that. It was like so sensual. Yeah. Right down the chimney, right down there. And you just had a show at Prop right in Asheville recently. We saw that, yeah. How did that go? Oh, it was so beautiful. Me and my two friends, Luch and Hannah.

It was, yeah, like a little group show. We, we all share a studio. So about a year ago we were like, Can you imagine if we had a group show? And then we were like, let’s, let’s do it. And then we were like, let’s call it. Can you imagine? Cool. Great work, a great title for the for. The kind of silly we were like, because you could read it as

very like genuine, like can you fucking, you know. But it was, it was silly. But yeah, the opening was really, really nice. Lots of like friendly faces. Cool. It’s a great experience. Yeah, it’s such a fun thing to do. Yeah. How are you saying it? Yeah, no, I’d love to hear just a little more of how that show like came to get like, how did you think about like making the

works and like putting them to like how much of it was like, you know, is it like we all make our work and then we show or is it in communication just. Yeah, the nuts and bolts of it I. Guess yeah. Well, so Hannah does ceramics and she also has been getting into some painting in the last year as well.

Luch primarily paints. And then I was like wanting to get into, you know, like I was saying, drawing and painting. So since we all share the studio, we kind of were like, oh, like we should have some motifs to kind of like like have the works make sense together. But that didn’t really end up

like we kind of like there were a few things where we were like, oh, like I’m drawing something that has like a water droplet. And then like Luch was like, oh, I have a water droplet piece. So like some of the themes kind of like mirrored each other in that way. But I think that kind of just happened organically, like being in the same studio together and just like being close friends and like kind of similar

interests, I guess. So funny. It always kind of like I always feel like, is it intimidate or like shy about the idea of sharing an art making space with people? Like that’s kind of why I was like so happy to get this like apartment to live in, you know, so low because I thought I would like, and I do make a lot of stuff in here that’s like, but I don’t know, I was just making

these books like I, I, I made like those sort of grey covered like books. They’re like sketchbooks And it was like, that’s so fun. And like, I have no problem with like chatting to you or you, like, you know, if we were sharing a studio, like I feel like I guess maybe some of my stuff, I feel very like shy. Yeah, it depends on that. Kind of thing. Definitely, I think with certain

like certain practice, you know, like I, I do some music as well, but that’s something that I feel so like sheepish about like I. Won’t even. Play like anything I’ve ever made for anyone, but I’ll like put it online and like not tell anyone about it. It’s just like on there, you know what I mean? But like drawing and like visual

art stuff. I, I actually really love having people around. It’s like, especially, I mean, maybe I’d feel differently if I was sharing a studio with like people I didn’t vibe with. But yeah, true, but it’s supportive thing. Yeah, it feels nice to like when we’re all in there, I’m like, yeah. I think it’s like a good like fear to press on because like,

yeah, I feel the same. Like I’ve been drawing now for like a year and it’s all super private, I guess, like in my bedroom or whatever. But I did have a couple of art lessons and it was really nice. It was like, you know, people with the easels set up and I was like, damn, people are going to see like what I’m doing it as I’m doing it. And it was pretty nerve wracking for a little while.

But then once you sort of get a little bit used to that, it’s really great, yeah. It can be like a really nice feeling, yeah. And we were just all strangers. But I was like, oh, you’re just gonna walk over and like, be like, huh. Like. But I felt like it was really, really good for me. Yeah. Totally make that work in a semi public. Yeah, it’s, it’s good to like, yeah, experience. That’s what it’s for, is for

people to see it. Absolutely, yeah. And so people don’t look at it, Yeah, it’s. We’re gonna look at it. We’re gonna fucking look. But I think I would. Maybe. Greatest efforts. Yeah, I would think I would maybe like a studio with an option to have some private like complete privacy. Totally. Yeah, that’s just through scheduling as well. Yeah. But yeah, it’d probably be better for me to be in a shared space, otherwise I would never

face that fear. Yeah, totally. And then I might end up telling myself that I need like absolute privacy. Yeah, I do romanticize the idea of like, like going into like a solo kind of like cracked out spiral, you know, like where you’re just like in the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Creating and like sounds great. Yeah, totally. But I feel like I’m not sure if

that’s actually like. Yeah, I don’t know if it’s. Realistic I’ve, I’ve only had a couple of bursts of energy like that in my life with like mostly with music stuff where I was able to like finish whatever record or whatever. Yeah, it, it sometimes works, but it was like it wasn’t very sustainable level of like. Sure. Yeah. I feel like I get some like cracked out spiral energy. Like, thank you. Spiral in here. Oh yeah, sure do.

Some great spiraling. Oh yeah. That’s a apartment and the the what is it the the 4th mic? It’s not apartment. There’s got so much to. Say if these walls could tell. These walls could tell. Yeah, that’s totally, yeah. There have been a lot of experiments done in in here like that would be that never, never

see the light of day. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rightfully you said, but like. Yeah, I think like it is one thing like doing that stuff, but I, I love group shows because like especially ones that feel really together because like it is it does have this other like thing of the social, you know, elements between the people in the show. I just like like there’s that

one that we we talked about on on air, it’s raining with like, you know, Claire and Pops and Maddie and stuff. And it was so like social feeling, like it just felt like such a, like you could just feel it in the room. They all kind of like. It felt that way, too. Yeah, because we’re such close friends. It was just like a cute easy, Yeah.

It all came together so nicely, Yeah. Yeah, so. Cool. Yeah. And the sharing and the finishing is so important. That’s something I’m trying to do is like actually finish what I finished or like quote UN quote finish it. Yeah, sure, I guess. Like just by showing it can be. Yeah, without a deadline, it’s difficult. Yeah. I’ve realized, like, quite a few people we’ve had on have been like, oh, I submit to this art prize or this art show and

whether or not I like, you know, care that much about prizes, it’s just really good. Yeah. It’s a way to do. Something, you know what I mean? Totally. I’m working on like a submission right now and whatever happens with this, it’s, you know, I have to finish a poem to submit, which is which is really good. Totally, Yeah. I never even think to like whenever I have friends being like, oh, I’m applying for this

grant or this thing. I’m like that never has once crossed. My mind to apply, I know. But I’m like, that’s so like, like, why don’t I do that? Yeah, it’s. Fucking hard though. It is so hard to be like together to boss and it’s like, am I good enough, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It’s very difficult, yeah. Probably get like 2 seconds in and be like never mind yeah. I’m never looking at the game

anyway. Yeah, yeah, since I started painting though, it’s funny you talk about like the cracked out because I guess that’s like what I had, that’s what like you have in. That flow state I did do. That today, but it doesn’t look anything like, you know, fucking some sloshing, or at least for me anyway. Like painting is so fucking hard and it requires so much care and

consideration and meticulousness and patience and quietness. I’m like this looks like a guy having a real like. Never would have guessed I was in full flow state. You’ll. Never believe how much crack this guy. ‘S yeah, literally, literally making. It’s like still life. Yeah. And.

It’s monkish. It’s kind of monkish. Is that the vibe of your paintings? I guess monkish vibe going on. Yeah, maybe it’s just me. You’re our monkish boy. Yeah, you have a piece full of monkish. Or thank you. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it’s funny. Painting is funny. It’s it’s beautiful. And I’m really excited to like see some paintings soon now that

I’m doing painting. Like as you start working with a new form, it completely explodes how you relate to. That because is your background in music or English? I just read the blurb. Maths music from English so just reading it from. Reading the document, yeah. Yeah, nice. So you never did any visual art until the last year. Oh, cool.

Fuck. It’s great fun. And it’s great to be like, freed from the word for once, because I’m like fucking reading, reading, reading, talking, talking, talking. Well, you know what they say about pictures. They say it doesn’t work. Yeah, it’s true. I was like. Wait, what do they say? God damn it, I’ve never heard that. Doing What did they say about pictures again? Yeah, that’s. And what are you painting with? What sort of paint?

Mostly just acrylic paint because it seems to be the most oils seem to have their own kind of like rules and processes that I’m like can’t be fucked to figure out. Fair. Maybe acrylic is like a pretty safe starting point I. Think for most people, right, Yeah, yeah. I feel like there’s something like silly, like, I don’t know, maybe that’s my own shadow work

that I have to do about acrylic work paintings. But I feel like acrylic paint. It’s like, is it, is it like it feels like kids paints or something? Yeah, you know, like it’s like oil painting. I know. Yeah, yeah. It’s like, darling, some oil painting. It’s. Yeah, 100. Percent, but just easier we on this in this House. We do not subscribe to a hierarchy of materials after

that. Totally. They’re all the same. Yeah, on God’s greener right. Except for watercolor, which is right at. The very top. Which is what I think.

That’s number one. I will. Fucking play with some oils. I had to go with acrylics. I didn’t understand them. We’ll do oils one day. They’ll be there waiting for us. Yeah, maybe. I’ll play with them. I think it scares me that they’re like toxic. Yeah, exactly. Where I’m like, I want to like really get in there and let paints and like slurp on them. That’s so.

Cool. Do you know what I really love painting is like with like a big roller, like house wall style painting. I did a lot of that in my life, like painting theatre flats, right? You know, like for like a like a, for a photo studio. I used to work out I would have to stay back a lot, a lot and like for the next day. Have a big white wall like it’s

on wheels so they can wheel it in, have it painted for the the shoot in the morning. And so it’s like me listening to like music on the like boombox in the studio and just painting something completely white. It felt so. Satisfying. Beautiful, Zen like relaxing part of the job. It was like the best part of the job. Kind of mindless too, where you can just be like it just needs to be.

Blank. It was like, really, it was really Zen. It was so nice. Yeah, yeah. And then sometimes there’d be some hilarious colour. It’s like this is the L’Oreal fucking orange that we’ve chosen. And we, like, have to do this really funny, like very specific colour, which was like, it was, it was very odd. Yeah. Jarring, yeah. But yeah, so fun. And then like occasionally we would have to paint the psych, which is like the whole floor of

the room with that curve that goes up. To the wall. Which is just this huge undertaking. Like, yeah, it was, it was kind of an amazing thing to learn. Like they taught me how to put the paint down good. But that’s the only experience I have with paint. And I honestly think that’s my fate. Like so far, I mean. That’s a bit of a flow state. Oh, totally. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, doing a little detail,

yeah. The detail thing I, I just I, I, I, I don’t want another hobby like I’m not sure enough to for it to be satisfying, so I’ll. I don’t know about that. It can be pretty satisfying even if you’re on day one. Yeah, I reckon. Yeah, I reckon I could give you, like, some nice paint and you could have fun today.

Yeah. You know. Right now, let’s bring out the paint. Yeah, bring it backstage. Yeah, A.

Little trolley. I’m still really fascinated. I don’t really know how what. I just want to know about tattoos. I don’t know what. Cool. I don’t know what to ask. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it’s like the history here. Yeah. Oh gosh. Matt knows more. You give me one. OK, I’ve got this tattoo of a flower on my hand. Cute. And yeah, it’s cute. Yeah, that’s really cute. And when I got it, the guy shout out Matt Fink. Matt was like, do you know, we call these job stoppers in the business like because it’s on

your head. And I was like, I think in my line of work, it’s probably not going to come up, but thank you for stopping me. And totally like, like, what’s your relationship with that thing? Because I know how much it’s changed even in our lifetimes, like the sort of like perception of tattoos and like, how like you, how do you feel as like a tattooed person, Like, you know?

Yeah, I think like, well, obviously like visible tattoos being like job stoppers, I feel like isn’t as much of an issue nowadays. But like maybe like certain generations still think that that’s a thing. So like, yeah, I mean, I notice that I’m perceived by certain

like demographics of people in a certain way. So like after I got my, I have like, like this one on my forehead. I feel like on the bus, I’d be like trying to like smile more. I’m like, I’m not like a scary like serial killer. But I guess, yeah, having certain kinds of visible tattoos, people can like have

that impression that you’re like, not nice. Yeah, well, I mean, like I’m thinking back because I worked in like fairly corporate tech world for a bit and I can’t remember seeing a single visible tattoo. Sure. And yeah, I think that that. Fear of being perceived that way probably still exists in some fields. But I’m just like so. Removed from that, that I don’t know.

It’s kind of easy to say like, Oh, no one cares anymore when you’re only hanging around like artists. Like none of my friends care about. My let’s go to Bangaru and see how many visible. Yeah, yeah. Not many still. Yeah, totally. Yeah, Yeah, I guess it’s where you are too. I did like a cross country trip through America the year before last and like, ended up in some.

My van actually broke down in a place called Diaperville. So I was stuck in Diaperville for a few days and there was a hurricane coming. So I remember being in the Waffle House and like, everyone’s just like, record scratch when you like, very cartoonish, like, I’m like, can I have some eggs? I was just like you What? That’s so funny. Fuck. Yeah. So yeah.

But I think, yeah, in the last, like I feel like tattooing has just like been so queered in the last. Like, oh. Totally full of years that it’s like, yeah, you know, like the sweetest sweetie pies have like crazy, weird, scary tattoos that you can see. So it’s like, hopefully people are like getting that memo and it’s like not all like scary. Fan Yes.

Kind of thing. Scary guy tattoos, Yeah. I also feel like in the last, like, yeah, 10 years, there has been this huge, like, renaissance of like, new voices and like new styles. Totally. You know, it sort of seemed like there was these, like, trends that were happening. But if you look back at it now, it’s like there’s just so many different branches of like visual languages available to people.

And like, I feel like you’ve definitely developed like quite a voice, you know, in your own thing. Like, do you like, where does that kind of come from? Do you think like where are you getting these? Well, I think in general, like that what you’re talking about has come from like, it being more accessible and like, you know, a lot of like, you know, women in queer people like

taking tattoo machines and being like, oh, we. Don’t just have to do anchors and swallows. Exactly. Yeah, and like, like the mindset that like bold will hold and like fine line tattoos don’t really like age well or like, you know, it’s not gonna, it’s not, you’re not gonna like it in 10 years or like, you know, like

something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like that whole mindset has just been like changed a lot. So like people are willing to get different styles of tattoos, like, you know, all kinds of, you know, people getting like bruises and legions tattoos. And I’ve seen those. Yeah. Those are amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So have you seen these, Aiden?

It just looks like a bruised 1 here. Yeah, there’s one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. So it’s like people are Yeah, I. Like that. And that’s really good. Yeah, I like that. The idea that any, like, when you make something more accessible, it’s almost like in any form, there’s like an orthodoxy that like, we are more or less aware of it happens all the time to artists that go to

art school, you know, that gets pummelled into your brain even if you don’t really want it to be. But then as you open something up, you’ve got this, like, big glut of people who, like, don’t know these rules that they shouldn’t be breaking. Do you know what I mean? And then it just hits this critical mass where now you have

and you, you push the form forward. Yeah, people. I love like I actually can get like a tattoo that some the guy told me once like I shouldn’t get. Exactly. Yeah, I love it and I love it coming from like this, dispersed rather than coming because yeah, it’s. Just it’s rare in our lifetimes that we see a medium actually

break open into something really free. Like, you know, like a lot of the stuff we look at on the pod is like has been free for our, our parents entire lifetimes, you know, or even our grandparents. Like, like photography has been completely free and open ever since then. So it’s like, it feels like everyone today is just making like, like, like we’re so sick

of it being free. And like, oh, like there’s just, there’s this funny angst with it, but with tattooing just feels like this real beautiful, like open. Well, it is such a like personal and like, you know, like intimate thing, you know, it’s like it’s, you need another person to to do it. So it’s like, you know, there’s

so much like exchange and consent involved and like all that like gushy stuff. I love this. I love this perspective too, like you mentioned before, like care. I love that really stood out to me that word of like, you know, like one of the biggest things. And I mean, as we see so much anything, like any work that’s not just you, that the human element sort of ends up just

because of the way we’re wired, of course, becoming like the biggest part of it. Totally. And I think also like having gotten tattooed like for years before I started doing it, like I’ve thank you. I’ve like known. I’ve felt uncomfortable and felt like I think. When you were in the chair. Getting yeah. Or like I’ve been in that place

where I’m like, have a thought where I’m like, maybe like we could move the stencil over a little, but just haven’t said anything because I was like, no, that’s fine. Like people pleaser mode. Yeah. So it’s yeah, I try and think of those moments too with people. Like I’ll say to you, I’m like, you don’t even like if you want to pivot at any point, you know, like stuff like that, like just

trying to like really kind of. Oh my God, I’m sure you’ve seen it, but I was getting a few months ago, I was getting fed the like some tattoo reality show. Did you see that where it’s like maybe the canvas and it’s the it’s like a it’s probably is it like it’s crazy. I think it’s from the where. They’re like, it’s really. I had a friend that went on that show. Yeah. Tell the listeners about Inca

Masters. Inca Masters? Yeah. Oh yeah, I actually haven’t. Like, I probably should watch it. I’ve only seen it. No, not really. A friend on it. Awesome. Yeah, well, she went on. Like as someone getting. Tattooed. Tattooed. Yeah, she got like a hectic, like full skull tattoo. On that show, yeah, it’s crazy. It’s like, you know, back tattoo and it’s like a competition and it’s like, you know, they

compete. Yeah, it’s like Drag Race of tattooing. Yeah, where they’re like today. You do. Yes, I’ve seen this online. This looks. So yeah, it’s pretty funny though, because like the people, like I’m just think I’ve seen the episode that my friend was on obviously. And like after she got the tattoo, like some of the judges are like this bitch looks fucking crazy.

It’s just like you can’t say that about someone’s like that. Just kind of tattoo like. Like a tattoo of your. Dad, Yeah, it’s like they’re trying to be like sensational because it’s ATV show, but they end up being like, what the fuck did you just say? Like anyway. And then the cameras were on, like, we actually love it. It’s a really tasteful. But yeah, no, she was telling me that apparently, like, I hate to blow the cover of Ink Masters,

but apparently that like, because the format is like, put your machines down, like time’s up, like you’ve had two hours. But apparently she was like everyone gets as much time as they. Need to like finish the tattoo? Because like, they also want the tattoos to be like, well done. Yeah. Like they don’t want it to actually be like. Just half of a face or whatever. Exactly. Like they’re not gonna be like,

you’re unfair. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, I mean, reality TV is like wrestling now. Yeah. Like or wrestling was. It’s like we all know the open secret of it. Yeah, my dad works for like a big conglomerate that makes a lot of reality TV shows. Housewives. I don’t know if he does. He does maths. Big Brother.

I don’t know them all, actually. OK. Survivor. Right, Survivor. Sure. OK, yeah, The only, the only reality TV show I watch is the Housewives and my cup runneth over with Housewives. Like, I don’t have, I don’t have, I actually don’t have time. Or room. No, it’s. Fine, I chose this like it looks really fun. I was listening to some podcasts from Melbourne this morning.

I can’t remember what it was called, but it was cool. And they were saying that this new season of Big Brother is going back to its roots, which is really cool because apparently for a while they were folding celebrities in. But people are like, we actually don’t want that. We want, like the OG. Yeah. And they’ve taken it back to its original location.

And. Have you ever been to the Gold Coast? Have you heard of it? Yeah, I’ve. Been up there once. You’ve been there. Like sort of like our Miami vibe, I guess. That’s near like Byron Bay and all that. Right, that’s just. Did you see the Byron Bay reality show? That was a Byron Bay reality show called Byron Byron Bay I was. What was the premise?

You know, like creatives that live in Byron Bay and they’re like, we don’t take well to blow in. Write that down. Oh my God, it’s so funny. It’s really funny. Yeah. Byron’s insane. It’s like housewives formula, but like, like spiritual creative types in Byron Bay. Byron. Day is insane. That’s so funny. That sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, it was fun. And yeah, it’s pretty dark.

I OK, it’s still. I went up there and I was like, I feel like I just like popped a Xanax. I’m like, I could, I could be up here. You’re like, I could live here. Yeah, but you? Know what it is like with the identification, like if you it’s still a beautiful place and I guess you’re still like new enough and to see it’s beauty, sure it’s really hard when you

were there like 20. Years ago. And I guess the beauty for me was also just like a sort of tacky voyeurism. Yeah. Beauty. You know where I was like. I mean, we love a little bit of. Turkey boy as. A hippie, There’s only so many. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still, I still think all the time about this scene of just like a guy sitting on the grass, like with his van with a little green camper stove cooking a couple of fried eggs, Right.

And whatever you want to say about him, like he’s a hippie, white dude, whatever. Blade Fox. It’s still really stuck. Sticks with me as like, as an image of like, totally. I like it there. Yeah, I love it. The beach is still beautiful even if there is a fucking whatever platypus on the High Street now. OK, is there a what? There’s like a platypus like it’s.

A shoe shop. Oh, I thought you not a not a the the animal. Now that there’s a platypus on the high. Street was the platypus π moved in. That’s how you know. I’ve just been looking up an NRL player whose tattoos I really like. Can I just kind of run this by you guys for some like? Just like a first pass comment.

So like this is Tail in May from the Tigers. He’s got the like, pretzels. I think it’s a broken heart. OK, yeah, I was going to say he’s got that like a classic on the face is huge. That would be crazy. The it’s like this stuff is like it’s so lost the last generation of tattoos that we were talking about. But like he’s got the like Chinese like down his shore,

down the side. I had no idea what that means. And then he’s got a massive like his last name, May May is his last name. OK, right. But I just I don’t know why I love his tattoos. Getting your name tattooed is funny. My brother did that when he turned 18 and we were my. Mom was like. You’re an idiot. Both first name and then last name, but he’s got them covered

up. But yeah, getting your name is pretty funny. It’s like okay, I don’t know why I. Love this guys tattoo. I’m just think it’s so sad. Yeah. And then he’s got. They’re well done. I like the way the May is like kind of shaded like negative space or whatever. Like that’s true. And he’s also just like very good looking like he. Pulls it off. Yeah, yeah, he pulls. It off, Yeah, they make sense. The Chinese symbol one this I’m

like it’s. A bit difficult, yeah. Well, like, you know, Ariana Grande actually has like some. Chinese schools. On her hand, but apparently she like she wanted it to say, I forget what she wanted it to say, but she ended up getting the wrong thing and it translated to like small charcoal grill or something like that. So like, I love that when it’s

like you just accidentally get like some weird nonsense tattoo. Totally, you know. Someone you can’t reveal, but I know someone with an insane. Is it Ariana Grande? I know. You know, Ariana Grande. We should get her on the part. Really, really love that album. We actually have no. Accent. Come on, Ariana, that. Would be great, Matt.

We need to get some celebrities just waiting in the next room. Totally. Yeah, but I don’t know, with the the most embarrassing Chinese character tattoo ever and it’s just going to stay while we’re on the mark. I can’t reveal who it is. Right. Yeah. It’s insane. It was an insane reveal. Just like, whisper it to me. No, I can’t whisper it, but it’s.

Like what does it mean the symbol? But the more it’s an X’s name all the way down the spine. Whoa, long name all the way down the back. It’s like Alexander. Game of George, name the third, yeah? That’s all I’ll say, because if this person finds out. So wait, but it’s in Chinese.

Yes, it’s Chinese characters. Was it a Chinese X or? Yeah, yeah. Okay, that’s a little better. Shit. You can’t, I said it once again. I can’t read lips so that that helps. I don’t know what you. Don’t know who. I I can I do myselfish on the pod thing where I ask the the

guest just like Aiden’s advice. I’ve given you my express permission to do this, yeah. So yeah, 1st tattoo, how do I not like what do I get or where do I get it? But how do I start thinking about it? Yeah. I don’t know, I was yeah, 1st tattoo. I feel like as I’ve got like as

I’ve gotten more tattoos, I noticed that I like have I relate to and like feel nice about the ones that are not as referential, that are more like kind of organic imagery or like, you know, not like that are a bit abstract or vague.

Like in, in terms of like, you know, yeah, like references. So makes a lot of sense. So I would maybe suggest like going with something maybe a bit decorative or like, but also like even while I’m saying this, I’m like, get a SpongeBob tattoo, you know, like go either way.

Because I think like once you break the ice. Yeah, totally. Once you break the Chinese, your ex’s. Name in Chinese.

A Cartman tattoo would be great. You could also do like I have a friend who’s like entire foot is dedicated to like shit tattoos. I tattooed Lil Wayne on her foot. So like you could have like a section of your body that’s like this is my like silly section. And then like like more visible or more like prime spots you could like reserve for something

else. That’s a great. I think just breaking the ice with something is the way and then you get used to like because your body like you once you know, once you get a tattoo, like for the first like week or so, you’re like, wow, look at my like finger or whatever, but then you’re just like used to it so quickly. You just get once, yeah, once you have three or four or five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then if you end up hating it, it’s like you have to go through that process of being like, well, I hate this thing that’s on my body forever. And then and then you learn something. That’s cool. That’s beautiful. I also really like the the abstraction because with, I guess with anything that has some abstraction, it’s relationship to you can change

more readily than like a distinct symbol or reference like SpongeBob or like that fucking Cartman, ‘cause I love South Park in 2026. But if we keep it a bit more decorative, it’s like, you know, yes, this has, but it can take on new meanings as you, which is kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, great. And just like, I guess what people advice people have been

giving me is just like, find artists that you like, totally just do that. And then you get like their work rather than I want this tattoo. Yeah, that’s a big one too. I feel like when you go, yeah, when you let the artist kind of be excited about what they’re tattooing, also, the tattoo ends up, yeah, maybe like, I won’t say better, but you know.

Yeah, I forget who said this on, I think it was on a podcast or maybe like a video, a YouTube video. But oh, it was Ash Callaghan. Ash Callaghan, the fashion commentator. And she was saying like, which I love this phrase. She’s like, some people can get completely covered in tattoos, but it looks like it just

doesn’t suit them. But some people like it suits you very well. And some people just suit being tattooed. Like, you know, I followed this photographer, Joshua Gordon, and he’s like covered and stuff. Like here’s like a picture of his. Have you all seen Ed Sheeran statues? Sorry, no, I haven’t. Wait, you have to look, you know, like, oh, wait, I think I know.

Oh, this is the photographer. Yeah, I love his tattoos and it’s just like I can’t imagine him with without. It do you really believe like believe in that comment that like beyond. Sick. I’ve seen that tattoo before. Yeah, that’s cool. That’s an insane. Tattoo. Yeah, I kind of like just immediately want to say that’s kind of bullshit. Wait, so. Her. Her. Comment like some people suit like something like tattoos like

and maybe people it’s like. I think her point was more about like. That’s more of a like eye of the beholder kind of thing, or it’s like independent. No, that can be true. I’m saying that can be true. Like you might not suit these style of pants because of a thing like your body. Shape, she was saying, like tattoos. I think she was kind. Of but even that too. It’s like, what if I want to squeeze into these little? Booty shorts, I mean.

No, I guess by all means the idea of like suiting something depends on suiting. Anything is like, yeah. But it depends on some and that’s why I actually kind of fall unfollowed colour ‘cause I didn’t like the way that it was. Followed her as well. Like, she’s cool and she’s smart and the takes are good, yeah, but it’s really. It looked like she was like. Searching for a reason to

criticize people, Yeah. But I just didn’t want to get too prescriptive with fashion. I think, I think it was kind of like she was good way. Yeah, exactly. She was kind of going like, some of y’all are just doing this because this particular like visual language is trendy right

now and you’re getting confident and it’s like, like is an odd way to go back. That’s a good point. Yeah. I feel like if you were to like press that person though, like they would end up maybe putting their foot in their mouth. Like if, like, yeah, ‘cause like, so then what? What? What kind of tattoos suit people And like, what kind of people, like, can pull off tattoos? Yeah.

And then like, it’s like, then what? Yeah. What you gonna say? Yeah, totally. It’s just that like, you know, I have known some people and there are some people like that photographer who I just showed you guys who it’s just like, it’s, it really suits him. Like, I don’t know. Because he’s like fashionable and the whole thing comes together. It just in this really complete sense. You should pull up Ed Sheeran’s

tattoos because I feel like he keeps coming to mind when I think of like people not suiting tattoos like his. His what he’s got going on on his body is so insane. He looks like one of those carpets that you had as a kid where it was like streets and you would like like put the car along the street like that’s what his entire.

I fucking love. Those Oh wow. OK, so he’s got like a tattoo tour of yeah, that’s great. This is perfect. Yeah, he’s got like a lion and I think like the the flag of Ghana tattooed as well, like he’s got so. Many like. I guess he’s got a great. Elements going on, yeah. Tomato ketchup. I respect the tomato ketchup.

Red and go. Featured on Taylor’s. Album. Yeah, we need. To see the BOD. Does he not do it? What the hell? The screenshot? Lied. Yeah, that’s salacious. False screenshot. Damn. But like, yeah, he kind of strikes me as someone that if I had to be like someone doesn’t suit.

I don’t know, but then I’d say that I’m like the lion just like cooked and strange. The lion wasn’t like the weird like quadrants on his. Back like. See, I would never have thought when I conjure up Ed Sheeran that he has a full back. And no, I know, yeah. I would that would never cross. Like fully full skin. But that’s also just because of his, like, clean, sweet guy

image and face and hair image. Yeah, he’s about to make a great cameo in the show you’re watching, Matthew. Do you remember that? Yes, that’s right. That’s so. Beautiful. What are you watching? I’m watching Game of Thrones. Oh, the second. I’ve never seen it. Yeah, yeah. It’s pretty good. It’s very, like, good. It’s very. Silly like soft call porn like sure very like it’s all about

like sex and hunger and death. Like, OK, but yeah, it’s it’s really. Isn’t there a Starbucks cup in one of the episodes? Oh yeah. Yes, there is. Did you wanted the? Latest in the Did you see it? There’s a couple of funny mistakes. I didn’t see it. Yeah, yeah. It does at times feel a little bit rushed like. The latest seasons rushed. Fish yeah yeah no, but it’s been fun it’s like I love my like

fantasy science fiction worlds and it was like a really fun just to get me off of like watching people play computer games on YouTube. I was like, I need a fucking story. Sure. Change. Yeah, yeah, no, it’s been really fun. I. Fucking binged it. I started on the plane to Vietnam. Right and. Then on my one step. Foot out of. When I got sick, like, you know, I’m like, this isn’t too bad,

right? Every episode of. Totally. Yeah, No, I’ve heard it’s good. I can’t. Like I said before, I’ve got so much work to do with the housewives. Yeah. It’s just like. You’ve got to have your priorities. You’ve got to keep catching up. Yeah, literally, that’s. Funny. OK, well, yeah, overall great advice. I was, I am, yeah. That’s what I like where that conversation is going to about

like the question of like a certain commentator, because for Callahan to say stuff like that, there is an implication of like like some sort of standard, like a semi universe, which. Also like goes back to like traditional tattooing where it’s like you have to be a or like yes, be a certain kind of person

to get. And also we should, we shouldn’t forget that tattooing is like a really ancient, like human practice. Like it’s been going for like 10s of thousands of years. Yeah. And like, obviously like that stuff had a slightly different, like, place. But yeah, it’s it’s it does get overlooked, I feel. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, it would maybe, yeah. Do you have any, I guess Cartman? Like, do you have like ideas that you’re wanting to pick from or like? I just think of like my friends that have really nice tattoos. Are you? You’re going to look at me when you say. All of my friends have really

nice tattoos especially. Especially this one. Actually the one especially. Who happens to be with me? But like our friend Kate, I’ve always been really drawn to their tattoos and they’re just really singular and like, I don’t know, I just really like the way that they sit. And I think they have a really good balance between like, and

this is like their personality as well. It’s like thoughtful but also spontaneous. It’s like thoughtful but not laboured. It’s like I’m just going to. Get. It’s like, ‘cause there’s something charming about a bit of a, like a, yeah, like, not tacky, but like, you know, like classic tattoo imagery. You know, I can’t go wrong with like a rose or a skull. But it’s very much in a modern

kind of contemporary style, like the final. I mean, I know nothing so I don’t even know how to describe. That you can describe contemporary art. I can’t even remember them, but you’re right, I can’t conjure them. But yeah, I think I would go the route of the artist and kind of just see it from that angle. It’s like, damn, I love the way your work is and I want like to

to have some of your work with me. Yeah. Totally. They’re going to put the ultimate form of owning the painting. Yeah, getting to look at. That’s it. And yeah, right here. Makes sense. So I can look at it all the time. I want to be able to. See it sitting on the toilet every time you look at it? Yeah, so there we go. We’ve made the first step. Listen. Yeah, great. Right on the upper thigh. Love it. Yeah. And it’s a really. Crazy place to get it done as well.

Cool. Yeah, Yeah. Not too painful. No bones. Yeah, yeah, A. Little bit painful. Painful. I feel like the legs are in spots that I’m always like, oh, this isn’t going to hurt. And then I’m like, yeah, yeah. Actually that’s an interesting question that I want to ask you. Like when you’re when people come to you for tattoos, is there like an A usual like ratio

of like how much is your idea? How much is their idea like? Yeah. Well, usually it’s like mostly their idea, but like a lot of the time people will either chose something I’ve already drawn or like, sometimes people show up and they are a bit more just like, what do you think?

And I’m always like a little thrown by that because I don’t want to like, impress my own thing on, you know what I mean? Where I’m like. Sure, sure you want to like fall. Down I try and be very like the balls in your court, like, but it’s also like we can pass the ball back and forth, but like but mostly like you’re the one. Yeah, you’re you came to me. You’re. Shooting the ball, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

I don’t know why I’m using sports. It’s. Appropriate. When you listen to sport on this podcast. I’ve never, Yeah. You’re wearing sport shorts. You’re wearing what is it, Celtics? Is it basketball shorts? I just like the Clover. Oh no. You’re accidentally sport. I’m accidentally Boston, yes. Are they OK?

Yeah, jeez, we’re good at sports. Yeah, wow. You. Sporty 2.2 Yeah right. Well, I can’t stop drawing soccer balls, so there’s something. About Love your soccer balls. Love soccer balls. Such a. Beautiful. Yeah, I love them. Object we’re we’re big into soccer balls here. We might right? We might even kick a soccer. Ball. I’ve been thinking I need to like, go kick a soccer ball.

Yeah, I played soccer as a child, but like, haven’t, was never actually interested in it and like, you know, haven’t. But I remember, I feel like I can like, feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The feeling of kicking a ball. We’ll never forget that immortal line. When we in Covad, we started going to the park because it was like allowed. That was one thing you could do

totally. And and once we’ve done like a couple of like our first ever sessions of soccer, like in adulthood, I kind of Aiden started saying the foot craves the ball. Once we started kicking it, you just you need to kick it, like kick it again. Totally. Just kick it as hard as you can. There’s not many things that you can just kick as hard as you

can. And it’s like, fine, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, it’s very healthy outlet for a lot of society. Organized around kicking or throwing a ball. A little bit too much for my test, but I see. I see how they get so obsessed with it. Yeah, sure. Maybe I need to like delve into that? Yeah, and I’m around and like. I’m already dressed for it.

Apparently it’s. Like the wand and the wizard holy. Tro OK, right, you’re right. Well, I’m like I’m calling it in, you know, I’m summoning the. Soccer ball. Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, they’re such wonderful fucking objects like. Yeah, who the hell designed that? Like the is it hexagons? Yeah, that, that sort of

checkered pattern. Yeah, it’s so nice. It’s stunning. It’s. Gorgeous John Paul’s balls. John Paul’s balls. Yeah, bring one up. They’re beautiful. I don’t know what he’s. The guy that builds his own or? Yeah, he makes his own. What’s the? Someone showed you. The one he did. I forget. Oh, Yep, Yep, Yep. I’ve seen this guy. Someone showed me his.

Page one, yeah, they’re all really crazy made. He’s got a spiky one. That’s so. Yeah, wow. Yeah, that like he’s got all these because does the circle just like form on its own? Yeah, I was thinking together. True. Yeah, that’s the classic one. It’s pentagons and this funny triangular shape. Pentagons. But yeah, it’s so sweet. Yeah, that’s what you end up

doing. You sort of sew it together. Wait, go out Is that? Is that pentagons and a hexagon in the middle? Yes. 123456. Yeah, 1034. 5 hexagons. Yeah, oh huge. I’ve just been. I’ve been drawing them all wrong. I know about that. I’m like, no. That’s so embarrassing. By that, I think you’re enjoying them exactly as you are.

Joel yeah, polls balls. I would love to join. Poll right in that I mean, is he? French. Where is he? Is he France I? Think he’s English? Oh, OK. He seems really, he seems good on the he seems like French. He can like juggle a ball and he’ll make one and then like juggle it a bit like on his off his feet. And I’m like, that’s like an English schoolboy. Right, right.

Yeah, we’ve been like, we’ve been like trying to get $212.00 together to like play his make a ball kit. And a real ball is like double that. Like not the one you have to put the one that can. Dissemble it’s like 500 bucks right makes sense that’s huge it’s. Such a fun idea, like, you know, like a beautiful soccer ball. Like, are you kidding me?

It’s not just like like. And then you can play. You can actually. Made it. It’s like, yeah, you can play soccer with it. Yeah, yeah. But would you be scared? It’s like, don’t play. Would you be scared? Yeah. Don’t kids. No, that’s the that’s my nice ball. That’s like. I’d be scared. I’d be really scared. I guess it’s just like an accessory for like a fashion. Shoot. True. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, that’s so sad. That’s probably.

Where most of the men die. Right, I haven’t seen a single one in the pages of my periodical. I’ve seen a single one down Marrick. Yeah. Why is? No one talking about this. Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He’s, he’s a wonderful. That’s cool that you’re during a lot of soccer balls. That’s. Awesome, great subject. So like where do you get your like images from? Like where? Where does all this stuff come

from? You know your personal work like. Yeah, I don’t, I guess. Well, like I bought this tie at the store that has soccer balls all over it a few years. Ago I saw that tie on your. Job and I was thank or thank you for seeing my so well. Thank you for seeing. That tie, and I was just like

that, that kind of activated the soccer ball like obsession, ‘cause I was like, this tie feels so lucky and I love this tie. It is lucky. The soccer balls are just like, yeah, doing something for me. Yeah, I like, I collect like trinkets and things. So I guess when I’m like thinking of something to draw, I’ll just like kind of like go look at my little, call them my

infinite world, a little infinite world and like find a little something. And yeah, sometimes, you know, I kind. Of like that down that’s the title of the episode in. The world’s. Aiden, wake up. Got it. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess I just kind of, I don’t know, I feel like I don’t really like to like think too

much about what I’m drawing. Like if if an image kind of like sort of presents itself and I find myself drawn to it, then I’m like, let me draw that. Or like, let me, you know, like Santa Claus soccer ball, like. It’s beautiful. Like, yeah, I was saying to Matt, a bus, Like, I guess I was catching the bus and then like the image of a bus came to mind.

And then I was drawing comics about the bus and then I started breaking down the bus. Like it’s kind of like a cartoon or a comic. Like how can I just play with this totally Image is here now. So I was breaking it down to like, you know, the the front of the bus and then the mirrors. And so then you get a whole page of just mirrors like in a line

like I’m like, it doesn’t really. It starts to feel almost like, oh, the universe has told me to draw. This. Oh, absolutely. And then it becomes this beautiful cycle of like, and then you goes I see a bus in the real world and I’m like, that’s like the drawing. And then I drew you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ve seen you before somewhere, yeah. Yeah, that’s cool. That’s cool. No, I love that.

It can’t be too. I mean, there are some artists with a very. Well, it’s like imagery is going to be, is going to like reference something no matter what. So I’m like, let me just, I can’t think too much. I need to just let the image come out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super healthy instinct, I think to develop for the artist, ‘cause like I get stuck up, like stuck on a lot of that stuff

where it’s like, yeah, I just think like you. Can think yourself in a hole with stuff. I think. So. It’s like, I’m like if Santa popped into my head, I’m like, well, I’m going to draw Santa there It is like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Whatever it is, yeah, it’s really fun, really cool work. And like I just, I love how like light hearted and like true it is because of that like connection you have to your ideas.

It’s really good work, Yeah. Oh, thank you. Definitely thanks straight away like we want to talk to you just on. This very. Sweet. Yeah yeah, I think just having the studio space too has like given me like yeah like I said before I’m like let like what like what feels comforting it’s like self soothing also like painting and drawing so it. Feels a little bit like and taking yourself like seriously

and fucking paying for this thing. I better go there and then once you’re taking. Yourself. Seriously, what the fuck that sounds? I know, it’s insane. Hey, I know. I want to try to. Do it? Have you ever read this? No one that I’ve ever spoke to in Australia has heard of this dorky book, The Artist Way. Have you heard of it? Yeah, you’ve heard of it. OK, cool. I feel like I feel. Like you might have.

OK, cool. Well, we’ll just leave it there. You haven’t read it, but the first person I’ve ever got that will admit to reading this. Isn’t it kind of like a step by step guide to becoming an artist? Literally. It’s like an well, it’s a 12. Or like the way to live and be like. It’s based on like, like Alcoholics Anonymous.

It’s like a 12 step program. Hello, My name is Julia Cameron says that everyone is born with the soul of an artist. And then society, and your parents and your teachers. Kick you right minded our labour, we should all be. When you’re 30 or whatever, you’re like, I should draw a painting and you’re like, I hate this. I’m terrible. Like total work.

Because the world has. Trained you to be. Literally, you know. And only that guy who’s a beautiful artist. Yeah, only those. Geniuses only the genius best can make. Up. It turns out like, you know, it’s just like. Actually, everyone can. Like Don’t Tell, Don’t read this book. Don’t tell her, don’t tell her, but I think it was, was it

Dochi? She did a like YouTube vlog going through it before she blew up. And then she was like had these really fun like vlogs being like, I’m fucking an artist. And then she went crazy. So that’s what sort of brought it back around. Totally about the dochi. People are like it worked for dochi. I’m getting this vlog like I want. She could be an honest anyway.

But people criticize Julia Cameron, who wrote it because she’s kind of like rich and her movies kind of suck. But. She’s got movies. Yeah, she’s a film maker. What? Right. But they. Well, there’s also this statistic of like artists. It’s like most of them are from rich family. It’s like, you know, like it’s easy to be an artist if you have

the means. Well, I cut down and. Yeah, it makes it easier, but plenty of rich people don’t make art without time fully, fully. So yeah, I’m still kind of have to respect the rich artist. Cuz wait, what the fuck? Making art is really hard. She was married to Martin Scorsese. Yes, she was married for a year. Yes, what the fuck? Who is this woman? The one that. Wrote Julia Cameron.

Yeah. Yeah, she was married to. She looks lovely. She doesn’t. She’s. She’s got a commanding. But she’s got some rich, rich ladies shit. She’s like money is like energy that comes through you. Sort of that I just happened. To have, yeah, that’s funny. Classic, classic guy with lots of money being like this is so easy to get. I know what.

You guys are talking? About right. Money is like energy is crazy. Put that on. The oh, she did Miami Vice. That’s supposed to be a great movie. Maybe she’s not so bad. Oh, she was a writer on it. I like. Any relation to James Kim? James Cameron’s sister, right?

Are you watching? Oh yeah, you’re watching Housewives. Any other sort of content interesting you at the moment? I just watched Jury Duty. Did you watch that show? What’s that? It’s like this guy thinks he’s doing jury duty, but the whole thing is staged and it’s like everyone involved as an actor

except for one guy. It’s. A reality show. It’s I guess it’s a bit of well, the whole, the whole thing is scripted, but he thinks that he’s. That sounds awesome. It’s really good. That sounds great. Yeah, it was really. That sounds cool. I I watched it all in one sitting, like sat there for four hours and just like, yeah, that’s sort of fun. Yeah, this was just a few days ago, so that’s on the top of my mind. Yeah.

That was good. Would recommend it. The guy that they picked, like, there’s like the perfect person for it cuz he’s just like along the way they kind of present all these like kind of moral dilemmas or like social like things. Yeah. And he just like does the right thing every at every turn. That’s awesome. So at the end you’re like, damn, they start calling him the hero at the end cuz he’s such a hero.

That sounds great. That’s a very, like cute show. Yeah. Cool. But yeah, mostly just housewives. I love like horror movies and like I just watched Party Girl last night. Yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, I love the idea of horror. I’m really into movies, especially right now. I love the idea of horror movies and I would love to make one one day, but like, I feel like I,

I’m a big fucking scaredy cat and I can’t really tolerate them. Like I remember watching The Conjuring and like nearly. Oh, those movies are. So scary. Like teehee. Yeah, I would call them like, like funny How? Like ridiculous. It is. I feel like there’s a certain kind of horror movie that’s like so written or something. I feel like that, like The

Conjuring series. I’m like, like that’s child’s play, you know, like a real horror. I’m like, I want to be like, shook it with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then like, sometimes I’m like, why do I want to feel that way? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, do you, do you ever have to, do you have to be in like a really good mood in order to like get to the the cinema? Like do you know what I’m

saying? Or is it you’re like, I feel like crap. I want to fucking go and cheer myself up with a nice like a nice fucking terrified I. Don’t know. Well most of my friends here don’t like horror movies so I haven’t been as like like keeping up with them as much. But I just went and saw one in theaters last week and I don’t know. The controlled fear is great. I love like.

It is quite exhilarating. Yeah. And like, you step out and you’re just like, oh. Yeah, that. Was scary, but I’m fine. But I’m fine. I’m fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I this is such a film, bro, favorite horror movie, but I really love Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I think it’s an amazing movie. If it didn’t have any killing in it in it, if it didn’t have any

like murder scenes in it or whatever, it would still look like a really gorgeous, like, Terrence Malick film or something. It just shot so beautifully. Yeah, really well done. Scary stuff is so scary because. It’s just so terrified. So like point blank, oh, what’s the word like affectless, like there’s no like big rising strings and. Yeah, and that, that villain,

what’s the Scarface? Scarface. Scarface. He is scary because he’s just so like there’s like, no, there’s no like rhyme or reason to his brutality. Totally. Yeah, it’s awesome. Yeah. My favorite. So like it feeds into a lot of like, I feel like what was going on in the sort of American psyche at the time as well. It’s just like a perfect movie.

I. Think totally. It’s been redone so many times as well, which are all pretty good. True, I remember seeing the ads for one of the reboots when I was a kid in like the early 2000s and I was like, that looks like the scariest shit. Like I probably will never be able to watch this in my life. Like as a kid I was. Like, yeah, well, the early 2000s horrors were really fucking scary. And those were all around the time that I was, like, 1012.

Like, so I feel like I remember watching Texas Chainsaw and, like, House of 1000 Corpses and like, all these, like, really gory ones when I was, like, a tween and, like, why? But maybe that’s why I like them, too. I’m like, yeah, going back to my like, scared little kid. So where I’m like, yeah, have you seen the movie Dead End?

No, I haven’t. Seen that’s my favorite horror movie. Yeah, yeah. OK, cool. All right, check it out. Yeah, cool. Yeah, I’ve seen a good. Horror movie. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. Oh, well, I mean, I don’t know. It’s pretty good. It’s pretty good. Yeah. I, like, started watching it and I immediately, like, got the vibe that it was going to be a silly kind of movie.

So I let my guard down. Yeah. And then I ended up kind of tearing up, like, like into the movie. OK, it gets ya. OK. Or it got me great. It might not get any money. I’ve also recommended to people and they were like, I was like, did you watch? And they were like, yeah, like not for me. So you know, anyway. Is there anything else you want

to plug just before we say goodbye to our lovely listeners? Oh, gosh, no, not not that I can think of.

Yeah, my friends that I did the show that we were talking about with their names are Luch Smith and household items on Instagram. So if you wanna go check out their work, great. And then? And you’re. Adding else tattoos. Toolbox. Yeah, on Instagram. Toy box. Toy box, No tools. I’ve been saying about this whole week, I’m so sorry.

No dev tools. No. Tools. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing else to be like. No, That’s great. Yeah. Thank you for having me. This was really such a wonderful guest. Should we keep going? No. No. No, we’re, we’re we’re got, we’re got a strict out on that. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, such a pleasure to meet you.

Yeah. Likewise, really lovely. Thank you so much. All right, well, goodbye everyone. We’ll see. You. I love you. Bye. See you in a couple of weeks, audience. Bye. Bye.

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We're back. So back, with another episode of Hung Up for you. Today's guest is @pattys_toybox Wordcloud: Job Stoppers, Getting started, tattooing your self and others with care, Inked Up the TV show, Orthodoxy, Fine lines, Hierarchies of materials, Housewives, Ren and Stimpy, Wonderful balls, and much more!  Episode link in bio