3.13 Penrith to Newtown on the T1 line (change at Redfern)

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Welcome back to another episode of hung up. I’m Aiden. I’m at today, we’re joined by a very special guest, a dear friend, and my housemate Adam. Yo, what’s up on this episode? We’re digging into Western Sydney, we’ve kind of been Been interested in the West for a while or it feels like everyone has been Adam grew up in

penrith. So we just kind of wanted to jump on have a chat about how he feels about Western Sydney. How Matt, and I feel about Western Sydney, not being from there. I grew up the audience, feel about Western Sydney. Yeah. Yeah. How y’all feel about Western Sydney? I grew up in. Well, I was born in the UK. Did High School on the Gold Coast and then moved to the inner West for uni and I’ve been

basically in the inner West for the last 10 years. No, I was bought in South Africa. And then I moved here when I was like 9 and my parents, we like got a place in the like North Shore which sounds really Posh but I didn’t have a super Posh upbringing and then yeah. Move to the inner West ASAP. Yeah, that’s my, like resume of

places and I Adam grew up in penrith. I was blown that and I lived in a bunch of suburbs in the area. One called Erskine Park. One code can Bridge Park. Just off the main suburb of penrith. And when I met Aiden around 20, I moved into the inner West and I’ve lived in a bunch of suburbs in here.

So Stan mob Newtown, Asheville, you know. Yeah. Oh yeah, bro, I remember when I first moved to and you were still living in Paris, there was like a what, two hours with me to Newtown and you’d like, I’m jumping on the train. I see ya. Do you remember that time? One time we had a fight, you like a quarter angry? Like 19 year old boys and you

caught the train to come meet me. You get off at the station. We have a fight about something and you’re like, fuck it. I’m gonna see dude back when we were all out of whack. Thank you. A commuting into Macquarie, right? Like yeah, that train ride was horrific. I think that’s actually one of the reasons I dropped out of uni as because I needed to I think I was on four or five different

modes of Transport or not different modes. But switches before I go to UNI, I’d have to catch a bus to penrith station, catch a train to strathfield, another train, North, and then lost to the uni. And I think it added up to like a 3 A our community each way. Yeah, that’s awful. So, kind of a huge part about this, right? It’s like the location like where you live and we’re talking

about this like incidental, geography of like Sydney. Yeah. Where everything gets lots more later but yes it needs got a funny way of dealing with like transport. Yes yeah. But that’s kind of like as the starting point in a way because if the like Cultural Center is the in OS and like all three of

us are interested in shit, that’s in the 80s. Like Adam, like that’s why we live here. That’s why we moved here. But just by virtue of being born, you know, a couple hours away from that Center like it just makes it hard as fuck for you to do anything like that. For sure. Just on that. Like I don’t think I actually visited the city solo until I

was 20 years old like 18 years old. Something like I remember when I was younger thinking of the like CBD district as a far away land from the heart where? Yeah, and I think I’m of course my parents would take me there Times when I was younger but I was like, oh my God. I’m not gonna go all the way out to the city. It was was a whole separate location in my head.

Did it seem like a cool thing that you would want to do? Like I had no idea about it. Yeah, okay. I think like one of the Landscapes that have changed over time, which we can talk about later, is how the internet is changed, like, people’s understanding of the geography of Sydney. Sure. But when I was growing up, obviously, I use like Ellie

internet back in the day when I was younger and before Facebook and things were invented. Vented, like it was pretty siloed, what you knew about different things because you like, won’t getting you your parents to Google things for you. Yeah. And so, when I grew up was essentially, my world was Western Sydney. And everybody, I knew was from there and interesting. I wasn’t like researching what’s

happening in the city and going rather, it was just okay. I live in penrith. Yeah, that info was way less accessible now. That’s like yeah, you just check out the Instagram, whatever. Yeah, I call this is elsner. It’s all right, but I want to hang out with. I just going to be here at this time. Like it’s so easy. Yeah. I want to I want a bit more like, about your childhood in Western Sydney. Like, can you, can you tell us

what that was? Like, sure. Well, I’ll just spit ball that bet. Basically, I grew up in asking Park, which is quite alike. Desolate isolated, suburb away from anything. I think the closest train station was Mount druitt which was a like 35 40 minute bus away from the area.

So if I even wanted to go to like a shopping mall, I essentially had It’s a 40-minute bus to get there.

I mean what to say about the school experience? Yeah, everybody is like very limited in that lack understanding of the world. It wasn’t very culturally Rich. It was just everybody. I knew was from that area and like it didn’t feel like there was much informational Exchange in terms of like people’s culture and stuff or like, yeah,

well I obviously there’s lots of different cultures there but there wasn’t much like knowledge being shared and that’s a thing. About the city as because people live in such close. Proximity to each other ideas, get transferred faster at right answers incident. Like you kind of have to yeah, right. Yeah. Like have to know about totally other cultures because it’s

right there yet and that probably explains one of the like sociological reasons people move to the city, not only for business, but also when there’s lots of people clustered together, you have a high exchange of information. Like, if something happens in the area, everybody finds out about it, there’s like lots of different things. Being known whereas out west. If there’s less people by

definition, you have less information to exchange, right? And so felt like growing up there. Just wasn’t much varied like opinions on things or yeah like different because this is stuff that you can realize like as an adult moving into like a more densely populated area like, yeah, exactly, Ashfield exactly. Like okay.

My childhood was actually quite different to some of these people’s childhoods. Yeah, it obviously feels less. So now Nowadays because I’m essentially of the inner West having been here for like nine. Ten years now. Totally. Yeah, growing up. I can clearly see the demarcation of when I was younger. Yeah. It was like very was, how would you describe it was like,

desolate desolate thought like there were there wasn’t much that he said about anything. It was just like nobody had an opinion about anything that wasn’t much happening. Just like it almost feels like the desert out there in a way. Yeah, I remember I remember. One time you’re like trying to find kale still living there. You like fuck.

I live in an actual food desert. I like, yeah. I think I wouldn’t find like organic vegetables. You’re like that. I’ve been looking but there’s just nothing. Don’t even jump to kale. I think there was no apples or fruit in my local shops. They only sold beer cigarettes and Vietnamese rolls. Yeah, incredible. All right.

And that childhood like we’ve talked about it a bunch of times and we kind of do the thing that you do when you are like reliving trauma like you make jokes about it. But like I got into like one small fight in school. At know that you matter think you were in many fight. I didn’t get into like a serious fight. I definitely got into fights where I was like, someone was like, winding me up for like, a whole day.

Yeah, but it was never really like, I’ll meet you after school. We’re going to fucking ha ha. That’s a horrible ads. Yeah. My Brolly Adams out of it was a different experience, right? I don’t want to pay myself out to be a like thug. I don’t want to make this like a representation of how people are out west, but I did have like lots of altercations in school

and there were lots of after school fights. It was a regular occurrence. Yeah. And I don’t know what they’re like, causal factors are of that but there’s definitely a lot of Macho young dudes out there around the time I was growing up. And yeah, I guess if I mean there’s clot loads of class stuff jumps to mind like yeah, definitely, right?

Yeah, yeah, causes fight cycle, we know this. This. For sure we’re even our like gang mentality. I think there’s more of a gang mentality out there as far as I can see and this plays out in a bunch of different ways like obviously football is a dominant sport in the west and you have lots of young strong dudes playing football with each other and so you have like suburb

verse suburb mentality when it comes to teams resting and then that comes down to the individual as well. Like people are more combative, it seemed when I was younger. A hundred percent. Yeah, but obviously, not everyone. That was some rich kids out there. Yeah. Like Normal wealth kids and then they’ll just say yeah, more varied like socioeconomic status out there.

Whereas when you get in the west of it, in the inner West, obviously there’s a bunch of like, not financially well-off people in the city as well, but the range is like, more evenly Distributing. I start such a higher level like the. Yeah, yeah, like Rising boats thing with Rising tide. Yeah, totally.

When I grow up in Queensland, I didn’t feel like where you were from all like, What school? You went to was as big of a deal, but when I moved here, I felt that a lot more. That feels like I said, anything that does feel like a sea lion age. I’m 28 now people like, oh, what school did you go to? I’m like yeah like what are we talking about right now? You get that shit out of my

people like where you felt like that does definitely feel like you know and whether that’s just because of like the property thing but it feels like location status. Yeah. Is way more Sydney than right? Like then it felt like when I was in Queensland, like I actually feel like that’s an inner-city thing. Be honest when I was younger, but like, growing up at their.

Most schools are public schools as far as I know. And so, everybody I knew was basically, from a public school and I think that like, I can’t bring to mind which one it was, but I think there was maybe one private school out there. And when somebody said they went to that private school, like nobody really knew them or even if they didn’t, we didn’t consider them special or anything, we actually can sit

like usually the Nerds went there and they were like, very studious and there’s not really a tenancy to Aspire. ER, to studious now at least amongst the circles I was operating. And yeah, I mean, like me to like in the North Shore school. I went to like, I went to a public school there and like yeah, none of what a couple of my friends like, disappointed me by getting real academic.

At the end of high school, all my friends, actually we’re really studious. Go about like artists as well. Yeah. And it just was, it was cool. It was like, they had transcended their like shame like the tall. Poppy, sheets and know. I like this. Yeah. I really like that in history. I can’t on hoppy. She’ll want to fucking do good? Ancient history. It’s sick. Like yeah, yeah.

But even a like, if I see people asking, like, what school, you went to or whatever, like doesn’t really happen to me. But if I hear someone asking that at a party or somebody saying like this person went to this black Rich private school or whatever in the city it’s almost like a humorous. Remark for me to hear because like you can see the value and

importance that they placing on it when they’re asking or responding whereas in my mind it was just never a consideration and so to hear people talk Talk about this is a thing of value is just yeah. Usually hilarious. I’m like oh wait you guys attach significance to where you studied where no one line anything anyway that is you just like creating class distinctions between each other for some

weird reason hundred percent. Okay. So like I think what we were talking before this Adam had a really good question which is like why is hung up talking Western Sydney today? I think it’s a great place to kind of get an outline of what we’re trying to say. Yeah. Aiden.

Why are we talking about Western Sydney? Today? I’ll start from like personal take, like I was overseas. I came back before covid. Just before covid. Hit her. And like 14 was kind of blowing up. I think a couple years ago as I listened to that music and like to me it was a bit of like a revelation like those like, slim

set as well like Callen Jay, and I was like, this is really cool. And then I think FBI, it was Cal and a tro from slim set had like, Their radio show on FBI like once a week and they had this like part of it was like sesh from the west, and I was listening to like, music from Western Sydney, like Isaac

Purell, like JC and I just got really into the music and I was really excited cause it felt to me like there was a new newer wave-like in Australian hip-hop where it was like originally we had Hilltop Hoods and it all sounded like that. Yeah. And I was like wow. Like this is so different. This is so cool.

And that was where it kind of started personally for me. I was like, fuck, like what is this saying? Like what are people out here doing? And then we started going to, like, galleries out there like Paris. And some of the like, you know, Community Galleries. And then I just started kind of noticing it. Like, you know, I’d been away for three years and I came back and it had seemed like the West

Was now like standing tall and was like, no, we got galleries, we got artists. Like I’m sure they always had this, but it was like, you know, it was just becoming more pronounced and then like in the inner West, it started to seem like People that maybe had once in general would have been like oh like what’s that? Like I ain’t leaving I ain’t

going out like I mean you down. Yeah. They were like Aku like yeah. Paramater like failed. So it did definitely seem like it like yeah. I don’t know if you have like a similar take. It definitely seems like What? Five, ten years, the West has kind of become more accepted by the mainstream as I call.

This is like a real Cultural Center. This has value like, you know, not to say that’s fair, but we can’t deny that’s happening. Yeah, that’s happening. Yeah, that’s happening. If you try to think of what would have come to mind to people years ago, if you said, like who’s representing Western Sydney and the odds, people

would have said something silly like curse are all. I like I did. Any other silly rapper out there, but I guess it ties back into my point about like the internet and the paradigm shift that’s happened recently about like information exchange, but when I was growing up, it was all very siloed, there wasn’t much info, being exchanged.

And then obviously as the internet has become a dominant like medium that people are using, you’ve got everybody on the internet now. People are using Instagram like Facebook all that stuff. And so like the collective knowledge that people Len like areas of suburban, sprawl of tapping into is now way greater, and so, there’s less of a

cultural distinction between people in the inner West and people in the outer West, or whatever. In terms of the knowledge that they get access to, and like, let’s call this what it is. This is like an inner West podcast. And so if you’re wondering like why why we want to say it’s a Sydney podcast?

It’s I mean, maybe it’s me. Maybe you guys can Rebrand. I mean, we definitely bit like I guess been focused on like the inner West. Not like from the beginning. We’ve been interested in the west like from the beginning, like we’ve been going there. It’s been definitely part of the like DNA of this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Like season one. Yeah. Yeah, totally.

But there’s no denying, like a great, of course, like the center of art galleries is yeah, you know, closer to the NOS than Parramatta like and we, you know, whatever 70% of our past episodes are probably about artists who are living and working and showing in the inner work, so it’s fine. More people move to the NOS to do art.

Right? Yeah, that’s cool. Yeah to show out whatever to see ya. That’s why I moved here. Definitely. And the interests is great, like obviously part of the causes probably like there’s more money in the inner West so there’s more like Gallery spaces. There’s more like creative Outlets, etcetera, Etc. But just on the point about

their like usage of the internet and things. As people have become more like technically literate, you obviously get like more people per Using IE might get bands, like 14 or whatever, making music, and then putting it online. We’re back in the day. There were probably some like, New Zealand, two dudes, making music that sounded similar, but you would just never hear about

it. And so now the West is getting more representation in terms of who he is that and then like not to speak about Galleries and things but you let’s say they’re making music or that like you’ve got Cal creating prop Gallery in Parramatta, I’m sorry, no problem. Sorry sorry. Now these things Have been

publicly advertised and people from the NOS that are into art, will go and see it because they’ve heard about it. Yeah. Where’s Max - yeah, it’s a lot easier. It’s a good point. It’s a lot easier to see like an overall view of Sydney. Just on Instagram. Yeah, it’s a great point. I mean it’s like a kind of sounds like you’re saying that information flow is bi-directional when like you’re in the west and you also now have access to like this whole

world of thinking, which allows you to make that’s potentially less siloed because your references are just, you just got more As inputs. Oh my god. Listen to this. I can listen to that. And then in the other direction, now you’re not just able to show your friends who live in its can park but like your flattened

you’re right next to ya. Some guy that’s been like, DJing in the inner West, their whole life act like you’re right next to them on Instagram. Like there’s no stepping stone. You’re literally yes a sure. Yeah, interesting. And I guess just in like a weird like, mental side of it. The size of the city is probably like smaller.

When people from the outer West think about like the geography of Sydney. Like you’re saying before, where when I was growing up it was considered like a journey to travel to the city where as I’m sure there’s young people that are just thinking of the inner city has the same as the artist City. Yeah. I mean, you see gigs on it like the and more theater for artists out west and they’re packed with avocado. Wesley, of course, look getting to New Towns pretty easy, but

Sydney’s like I feel like Sydney’s geography. We’re getting into it now, here we go. Like Sydney’s geography and the way that that, so That’s of governments over like the last like I don’t know 60 years or more have like set up the transport system has just entrenched a bit of a like suburb like tribe thing that

like just just naturally maybe occurs but like what it’s meant is like for example we’re legit we’re in Ashfield rinsed and more right now and to get to like what the suburb like Balmain from here. Bye. As the crow flies. It’s not that far at all but

because we’re going perpendicular like along this like sort of weird spoke system that we have. It’s really fucking hard. You’re going against the grain. So there’s all these directions that you can move in and directions, it was very hard to move in with out just like a fucking motorized like an e-bike or whatever. And I think like a lot of that like in OS, outer West thing,

wouldn’t feel like so much of a separation if Sydney’s It’s boat was just smooth as like, if you could just hop on a bus and like or any fucking vehicle and get out west like really quickly and and, you know what, the thing is like, like we’re on the train line. Like, you know, it’s that’s, that’s an easy direction to travel in, but I think just like

there’s so much friction all over Sydney, that it probably discourages you from using that stuff like, you know what I mean? Like, so often we’re looking at like, like a gallery to go to and it’s like, fuck. Okay, let’s just drive, like, it’s just so not set up for ya, you know, the Of pedestrian level activity. That can really like facilitate the type of exchange of ideas,

that that Adam you’ve been saying to us. So, yeah. And I think, as well as the like fucked governance like, you know, they rip, we had it like, the biggest tram Network and the southern hemisphere in the 60s, and they ripped it up. They bet on roads, besides the crappy government’s. We also have this funny geography, which is like, Bay’s a little Wrigley roads and like

it’s not flat like Melbourne and the town planning isn’t flat like Melbourne. It’s not Square. So Yeah, we just sort of were kind of cursed and that way and it’s a kind of amazing to see Sydney kind of pulled together as it is like maybe because of online stuff and just like coming out of covid-19, all really Keen to go out. So we’re doing we’re doing a good job but yeah, I don’t know,

I don’t know what the future holds for transport in Sydney. This is also where speaking on the day of like more train Stripes. Yeah. More trains tracks below, I think. Yeah, it’s always thinking about urban planning as a Cause of why like the add a West. Inner West link is a thing to be

talked about and like is, is like a phrase like two concepts you here compared off? Yeah. It obviously, to get a map up. You never hear people say like the outer South and the inner South. That’s not a thing all. I yeah. But the add an author in the, in the north and you did hear people say they’re from the east or whatever but less so the

others. Yeah. And I guess it is because of the way the train line is structured, right? And if you look at it, there’s definitely Like that, what is at the teacher, whatever the t2 T2 or T3 runs from the CBD to penrith, and then emu Plains in the Blue Mountains and things. And the add-ons does happen to be situated like in between the city and the blue full,

beautiful blue mountains that everybody goes to. And so maybe it’s got some representation because of that. But then also because there’s a train line running like you have got more people from the NOS that you are probably have less cars then like people. Pull out in the suburbs, right? And so if they’re thinking about places that they have access to

with ease, Yep, they’re going to be looking at. Like, where can the train take me without writing a fucking mobike, or whatever. Without walking without water, went to Fairfield to see a show with Matt, and we drove. And it was like, very convenient and yeah. But I’m talking about at the gallery. Yeah. Adam like few months before and

we caught PT. Yeah. And we had to walk for so long. We are walking for about half an hour. Yeah, but that Out of it. Like for us that was definitely like that’s the thing. I’m and I do together because we don’t fucking drive. Yeah. But we had to go on this long. Do remember that Suburban York Street for about half an hour

and we wait until like some crazy convenience store, like some weird energy, drink energy, drink that thing is sick. I’ve been looking for that online ever. See ya interesting but we’re very much feel when we go on those long walks, it feels like, yeah, this this infrastructure is not for us at all. Like we’re the only people

walking, everyone’s driving. We’re going for these massive walk through the suburbs like the and it’s beautiful because you’re fucking weird and we’re hyped on it and we’re like this is this is hot, this walk is so beautiful, and so funny and so silly. I know, but even like to go like a little bit more, like normal, like, like we kind of really

feel like nothing is Trivial and we’re like really care about like, you know, just like a little deep the details of life. But like just to think about that like energy drink. It’s like oh there’s You drink that I’ve never had a sick reason to even be going to a communion start, Fairfield anyway. Just a zoom out by one. Notch. Hundred percent. Cool, cool. Okay, Adam, I’m sure you have

met someone, let’s say, at a bar, or a party and Nos and they’re like, oh, you’re from the West like, did you ever get that like feeling even if you didn’t say necessarily? Like, I mean, just to start being from Western Sydney, I’m quite emotionally stunted. So now I’m sure.

I’ve had mixed experiences to be honest, like I think earlier on when I think, like in all honesty, my personality has changed since I’ve moved to the inner West and there were probably some negative traits. I carried from living out of West. When I moved here such as like being more competitive combative and disagreeable or like I don’t

know, just not understanding. What the Norms of the inner West are such as like political correctness and you know all the typical things that are mentioned nowadays. And so I probably said a bunch of shit. They got me in trouble when First moved out here when I was at parties. Yeah. And then like it wasn’t, it wasn’t directly people judging

me for where I was from but I guess it was more. A result of like what traits are brought from being raised up there? So you’re saying like that in those moments was fair, did you ever feel like a sense of unfairness like with this? I don’t know if I would say it was fair or unfair. It was just like when you’re around different people, you get different reactions, right?

So if you were to take a person from the inner West and you put them in a party out, west at that. Same time, they would probably get equally like negative reactions from people out there just because they’re they’re like Norms are off all the different interesting. I’m be obviously living out here for the past 10 years. I’ve learned what you can and can’t say around different people. So how like, not to say, I’ve

got any like, super controversial, cancellable opinions? Yeah. Just a couple. What be posed out, but yeah. Like nowadays when I tell people, I’m from Paris, most people don’t give a fuck. They’re like, why are you telling me that or yeah, really. Yeah. But I feel like, I mean to say, like the Phantosaur never like you saying like yeah, I said some fucking I said the wrong

thing but I don’t know. My sense is that the time like from just thinking about like a few warehouse parties, whatever I felt like people were doing both. They’re like what you’re saying is like wrong to me. Like but they will also layering it with a bit of like, just a bit of like, it’s like xenophobia, like, like they were just like a bit more likely to like be like, you don’t, you

don’t fit here. Like, I should definitely sense that like, even just from like your accent. Or whatever. Like that’s a huge one in every city. Like what’s your accent? What does that say about you? Yeah. Do you have a nice clean accent? Like you have the right way of presenting yourself? Well this is just a self-assessment now but I don’t think I have a refined accent

definitely. But I definitely have had many people say they don’t know like where I’m from based on my voice or how I look which is a mix of Turkish and Italian. Yeah. I’ve had people guess every single race Under the Sun. Yeah. I’ve had mean yeah. Me too. Kind of like I think it’s A very like modern world thing. Like, everyone’s kind of got an accent from like five, six,

different species, all like suburbs or even hanging easy to move around, you know, in this and the even in the last century like colors, or even hanging on Aiden and the exit taking up some of his like accent connotation. Your accent does match your friends like access or even changes when you Bond different groups of people that I hang out

with. If I change my accent. If I hang out with people from out west. Yeah I was like 10 into a boat and Ashley And brought with the flag what you do? All right, I wanted to just ask you a little bit about the combination. All the movie. Well, I haven’t seen it but I give us because I was like yeah we were talking about watching

its own fucking Netflix. Yeah well it’s not really that’s awesome. Tell you what it is. I think it’s like one of the few films that I knew of at least Growing Up. Made in Ottawa Sydney. I think it’s like a Lebanese like, gang film, where there’s a

bunch of dudes in the gym and they get it sort of got like, an underbelly vibe to it. Bunch of actors in that like we’re in underbelly real. Yeah, right there as well. Yeah. Yeah. Do they have like sick cause and stuff? I don’t think they have caused but they definitely have like, so I Skips got sick with that sick, but what do you want to know about it? Just like if I had any impact on

me or dad because I was kind of thinking just like at what it’s funny because you’re like, I’ve changed so much and like my value a change and they have But like you love that movie when it came out and when we were talking about it again. Yeah. You’re like fuck. Yeah. Like let’s watch the combination racial. I was just like surprised that you’d even heard of it because it was such a nice reference in

my butt. Yeah, I wouldn’t say, I had an effect on me, really. It was just like an entertaining thing to watch it the time, but like hearing about an hour, even as a sequel, I think is just like, silly to say that that’s on Netflix. And I think like, Yeah, I don’t

really have anybody to take a, what’s the premise of the movie? It’s like a western Sydney, gangster movie. I think it’s a gangster movie. You know, that’s like a racial tension between some Lebanese people. And I think some white people and they have a bunch of conflicts and someone gets shot or stabbed, something like that. That’s what I mean. Yes. So many different ways of representing out west and I think the easy one is to reach for like crime and hundred

percent like poverty and things like that because that is a like that’s the that was what I grew up with because like that was what the media says. Yeah. I said oh what’s amazing about Newtown and red Frontier? You know by the way like when I was a little kid on the North Shore like our parents will like, I don’t know if we want you to go into New Town on your own thing and we went in like

little groups like around Sydney, July Claire, you town like the city and shit. Yeah, and like Newtown was different like back then like I have photos of this like Nazi protest that was going on in town. Like it felt a bit more like contested ground. Whereas now it’s kind of been like, bulldoze like five or six times anyway, Waves by like various leisure activities.

Yes, Larry’s and I with with, like, left-leaning, like dressings. But yeah, but shh, I actually have a memory as well of my parents. Taking me to new town when I was like 17 and they will like Adam, you’ve never heard of this place, but this is where the we do is hang out like the local cafe, and you go look at the

poster and you’re like, whoa, look at these anymore yesterday. It was so different in penrith, but when I first moved here, I I was driving up like, kings jail and more Road, and me, and my family had the whole like, a whole, like queenslander packed into the back of my dad’s truck. And like, the first person we see, is, like, dressed up like a gesture on a unicycle

multicolored. Hey, I’m just like my mouth is open. And my dad’s like we’re in Newtown now, son. Laughs enjoy and I fucking have been enjoying. Cool cool, man. Yeah that’s a really good point about like, obviously, like I was thinking about my time in the UK and like top boy, which like big, you know, that’s the first thing. We want to represent because of fucking sexy.

It’s like, yeah, just like misunderstood and they’re violent and they sell drugs. I yeah, that shows huge. I got shows backed by getting a picture and I think in some ways we definitely as Australians have a connection with like London and the UK for sure. Also, that in the u.s. because we feel like yeah. It’s like, you know, if you talk about like the black experience, like the African American

Experience or whatever, A lot of people here can’t relate to that. Whereas like we can relate a little more to like English experience. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, our houses look like England like walking around Sam. Oh, I keep saying it looks like London. Yeah. Like to a tee. But with funny, like, Australian

trimmings, like all the eucalyptus and like the birds and stuff it’s it’s actually becoming a little bit like of all like weird like psychological jarring think is like the architecture of a place changes the way you feel about a thing like architecture is like like almost like a framework for your mind, it’s subtle. You can come in with a strong way. Fail and be like, I’m gonna

impose my will, but if you just let it get to you slowly, it’s like it’s getting a bit weird. It’s like we should make Australian architecture. Not having these will built in the fucking 50s anyway. But yeah, it’s just something that’s been bugging me. Yeah, space can definitely change the psychology for sure. Yep. But I think like I guess to your point about top boy, people do

seem to always be attracted to like minority groups, right? Like in fashion I guess it’s some sort of a fashion, right? And right is like what do people find interesting? There. It’s clothing are whatever. Yeah, and it does always seem to be a draw to Niche things and like minority groups. Usually do represent a niche

thing, whether and like, and like minority fashion, minority blah, blah blah. Yeah. And the West currently does sort of represent that for people in the city. And so I think it’s a like interesting thing to latch onto if you like, oh wait, where can I find some interesting musical references or hiring references and you can just go, oh, cool people.

That or Western our producing clothes music film? Yeah, I mean they always have been but it’s a way more visible now. Well, it’s way more visible but it’s still way less visible than stuff in there. Like you County home from a mainstream? Yeah. The other thing I wanted to say about that was like, like, I don’t know, I don’t know if this is an Australian thing in particular.

I’m always saying that’s like this is my always make my excuse for not having traveled the world, so fuck it. Yeah. But yeah, they’re definitely feels like a there was always a big thing about like, I’m working class. You know, in the new town, it’s like, Who’s going to wear like the fucking like, literally like trade Iggy and drink a VB, even though, like with the head, whatever X, Y Zed upbringing. Like, I didn’t feel like that

was present in London. That feels like an Aussie though. It isn’t anything really do? Yeah, it’s weird. I’m telling you, I didn’t, I felt like there was more like, you know, as you say like made this move away from the west, but like, in London, like if you grew up somewhere, you would be, you know, you’d be kind of wanting to do the traditional thing, which is like what my mom

did, which is like she was poor as hell. And so her like You know, she wanted to get you over irrespective. She wanted to be respectable. Yeah, where was I? Rather than like play? What a fucking lay down. Like, what’s alarming? Yes slamming. And as I’m pretty sure it’s a little bit different. It’s like, it’s like we’re in slow-mo. It’s like we’re ready. We’re gonna go and see like tourists like this something

else. It’s like I’m gonna. Yeah, play it down. Like I’m gonna like, yeah, I’m gonna dress down and I think it comes from like this funny Australian toll puppy thing, which is such a tragic aspect of our culture. I reckon I think it’s a great aspect. Very like it, I don’t know. I don’t know if like, pulling people down that are succeeding,

is a good thing, but I think like one of the defining qualities of Australian culture is like humbleness and being down to earth, right? And the good aspect of tall poppy syndrome. As far as I can see, is, if you see someone resting on their Laurels or thinking they’re better than anyone else like people that are quote, unquote

Australia, we usually rip them down as like and easy reaction. They’re like, oh wait, I think you’re better than us. I like that. I like that is no intrinsic betterness. Yeah. Allergic to it. A little bit exactly. Well, I like how much better you than me when we’re at the beach and I’m fucking on a surfboard. Yeah.

Can I just like, Circle back to some? He’s been on my mind since. Like, you kind of said it, you’re saying like the easy thing to rep, like the first kind of level of representation is almost stereotypes. Yes. Like, you’re like, ah, like let’s do the combination that’s like be scary or whatever, but I’m just thinking, like, Are we at with that in Western Sydney?

So Matt and I were walking past the corner shop. Yeah. In Newtown. First. Yeah, course, Taco, Shop TCS Windows PCS, Windows kind of store got a double check one of our favorite. Local Gallery. Really see. Gallery, space photo gallery and then beautiful old house in Newtown, but the whole exhibition is just in the front facing window. So you don’t go in anywhere is just like you could walk past

and see if shopping exactly. So it’s got this really cool like public-facing Vibe because it never opens or shots. Yeah, they have Paintings, but like it’s always there. So, in a way it straight, yeah, it’s always on the street. So it’s pretty like, was pretty fucking pretty cool when you think about it, guys, but the last year we went to was like slime morikawa and like, a lot of the imagery was like kind of

like Western Sydney stuff. So there was like a pretty fucking dope photo of like a guy on like a motorbike shirtless head cut off in the image I think and then just like, kind of the central focus of the image was his fucking black Tian like, on the net. Of the bike or on the stand or something. And then there was a to series

of like a bunch of boys. Look like we’re in like Mount druitt. We’re definitely in the west like 10 or so boys, like, kind of looking into this house like walking, like some shits going on like something. Scary’s Google. Amazing. Combination of pictures. Actually. Like, just the The Narrative that comes out of these two frames, like it’s almost like a movie, like just to combine the

two gives you some movement and motion and yeah, it was amazing. Like, yeah. So I shout outs lie. We actually used to be made. So are we? Well yeah. What up sigh? Nice to meet you via the podcast if you’re listening but yeah, I guess I wanted to like touch on that. It’s like, okay, cool. Like everyone can see tiens a cool right now. Everyone can see 14 is cool

right now even though the like not allowed to play, but then I’m kind of thinking like that’s kind of seems to be partially where we’re up to with the representation, right, where it’s still like Mount druitt is scary and we’re like, oh, whoa, like Mount druitt is being represented in art, gallery. That’s pretty. But we’re still seeing like

scary Mount druitt, right, right? So like is that where we’re up to like in The Narrative of like you start off being ignored and then you get stereotyped and then like that stereotyping becomes like I guess that’s become cool. Like it has become cool. Like you can see that in the street where you can see that in like you know people that it’s on the radio.

Like well they’re like Western Sydney like bands and crap on Triple J. Now which is like, honey. I’ve been crying about Triple J since. Yeah, I have a But like, at least they’re fucking giving that ago, which is kind of cool, you know, their list, they’re listening to like, what’s going on. Well, chi, I mean, the giant, I forget his name. But you remember when we went to Parramatta 9? So that was like, one of the things he said, I put on some

rappers and he was like, I’ve forgotten his name and he was like, Triple J. Doesn’t even know. This is fucking happening. Yeah. So where are the events where definitely are not dialed in like that? We’re definitely in transition or something like when this is still playing out. Yeah, in the moment. But yeah, I know if you have a take on that like, you know, I definitely Seemed like Street

West style that gives like, quote scary connotations is being worn by everyone like, yeah. Like, yeah, it’s a history student laddie. Yeah, it’s hip to be lady. Basically show up, which used to be, and still is scary. Yeah. Like if I was in Mount druitt and I see loud, I’m pretty scared, you know, in stanmore, I will see lad at like like, you

know, drinking a note carpet and I’m not scared. Read it completely differently, but pretty cool that that fashion has. Trickled down, definitely. Yes, still may be a bit thorny, like we haven’t everyone still like, should they wear them? Can they wear? Yeah. Why are they wearing that? Yeah, I don’t know. There’s a Long Point, but I don’t know if I can say anything about like Mount druitt

directly. Because although, I’ve been there a bunch of times, it’s not like it area that I deeply understand, but I can speak about the Tian and my associations with it and how it’s changed. And even like Ashley, as I still have a strong memory of Aden visiting my house when we were like eight, In just met and we

were walking through the shopping mall. And I forget what the occasion was, but like everything was closed. Maybe it was a late hour. And there was just a group of like 405 small, young, dudes. That was so an intimate dating to me, but they were wearing tiens and things, and I remember 8 and just looking sure it was like fuck, bro, we safe in here is like there’s no one around

like we could get jumped and I was like, yeah, potentially do. That’s what’s up? But yeah, like the tan Zone. Lee really been popular for what? Like three or four years. Now, as far as I’ve seen, and I still find it humorous to say, and I thought it was humorous when people started wearing them, and when I was growing up

tiens were exclusively worn by had guns. Yeah. Like people that would bash you or like had babies with 16 and I had just like it was not a good vibe to wear tiens. Even even, I knew that and I was like a rough kid. And so when I see trendy in the west people wearing them now I’m like Dressing like a person.

You like, you probably wouldn’t have wanted to be or you probably still want. You would still judge and dislike if you saying them today? Yeah, and it’s not like ash Lads. Have stopped existing and have stopped wearing tiens. But now they just have had their fashion like hijacked. Yeah. For the better or worse. Yeah. Okay Pally feel about that. Yeah maybe that’s a question that I’ve asked the manager at

station to answer. Yeah. Yeah you fuck we shouldn’t we should go out on the street and try and see these two people like me somewhere. Yeah, I’ve got like bring it in a Osa. A like that. Like that TN, the shoe is like, maybe the most successful like like mass-market sure that that

really plays out in like a fashion is odd like real world, kind of come like context or like - way, like, I remember being in. I remember being like 16 or 15 and yes seeing like Lads at the Chatswood mall and there were like scary. They were like, yo like give me a cigarette? What kind of phone if you got?

And I mean I don’t have to and like, I remember some of my friends being like I’m gonna get some tea ends, like and it kind of like at that and that in that year, it was like, I’m up for something like, I’m in this club like it’s like you’re saying, like you’re kind of saying like I’m up for a bit of like tough straight action, like, right whether or not your fucking hard, con your own do enroll, someone all your just like you

want, you feel like you’re strong and you want to like what you want people to look at you and like, and as the years of rolled on like that club is kind of grown and grown and grown and Like any like any cool subculture people want to jump on it and like blow up the spot like, remote like anything that happens like, you know, you can pick any fucking music genre and

like, yeah, the rap came from Atlanta but now, like, everyone’s got that flow or whatever you want to say yes to every day man’s shoe now? Yeah. Well, I kneel not it’s not like it’s not yet, still not like I was just means anything, it still has a soul, has God calorie associations where? If you’re wearing a tee? And you’re like, in the know. Yeah. Like if you seen a corporate lady wearing TNG, you’d still be

shocked. Like, what is happening? Yeah. How did you find out about it yet? And I don’t think they fully filled it down. Like, I still think there’s a little, little bit of a still there. There’s still a bit of a club like I like, it’s definitely still. You don’t see them everywhere at the gallery? Yeah. Like people are still a little bit hesitant. Yeah. They understand the like the

other, like, huge Banner of a shoe, like, as a counterexample like Crocs, like rock started out as a funny kind of Club, it was like, dorky middle-aged people club, and then like that, The irony of that like blew up and everyone was wearing them. And now it’s like, yeah. You see it Crocs and Gators? Like yeah, of course, like it’s like seeing a pair of Doc Martens or yeah bus like shoes. Cool.

Do you guys feel like shoe chat? We touched on that. Like, we didn’t really directly address your comment about the stereotypes, like, often the combination right by giving me no representation is like stuck at work, because, like, people always say with like, I don’t know, whatever culture they’re like, you know, take it like, say, like, you know, there’s all these TV shows and all these musicians and it’s like, Ozzy

white, dudes. Like what is it? A cow has a line on that. He’s like talking about Flume and he’s like, but any other way dude could have made this too. It’s like that that quality of like yeah it’s pretty good. That quality of like the white like have the confidence of an average white dude or whatever. Like yeah.

Just like way over. What? It should be and then there are like in the stages of whatever the fuck it is like culturally. We’re like I just want to be like a black dude. And just make like average music and like be as successful as a white dude. But like he’s saying that I, like people always say it. Like, it’s like a common thing. It’s like, like, they’re like

right here. Sheriff. Like maybe it’s like you have like a western Sydney show and I’ll be like, it’s shit like it’s not good enough but it’s like there’s 50 shows by like white people on TV that are being produced that are like just average. Yes. Seven out of ten show and they’re like kind of fighting for that they like now I want to be able to like make just okay TV show whatever and it get on

Netflix like all these other fucking cunts can totally. And that kind of feels to me. It’s like the progression of the representation. We’re just like, yeah, an average whatever Western Sydney. Yeah. Take is represented not just like a very like maybe an extreme one is like not. We get to the point where I like

a cool like oh watch this. This is just like some normal shit. That would feel like a success. Yeah. That’s like I guess that’s actual destination. Yeah, I didn’t have any like stereotypes that. I specifically want to defend Against, and I think a lot of stereotypes found it on like a person’s previous experience with something and obviously

there’s heaps of dudes that live in Mount druitt or whatever, that a normal middle-class people that own hours and have kids and a family, and they’re all safe and all that. But Mount druitt is still like a rough area as far as I can tell, if you go to certain parts of it. And so when you see art in a gallery where its dues, looking at a house where there’s potentially crime going on

inside, Whatever there probably is some truth to that that artist is trying to represent. And if that’s the thing that people keep representing from out, west like is probably for good reason and like, whenever I have been out there, I’ve like had a bunch of funny experiences all memories, which align with

those artworks. So it’s partly valid my eyes. Like, I still have a funny memory when I was at at Mount druitt, when I was younger over, Dude, literally chasing a taxi down, the road with a trolley in Hands in the air and he threw the trolley at the taxi and that’s obviously not a daily occurrence or anything but I’m just like, okay, like things are

happening in Mantra. There there were moments and it’s probably like a pretty regular occurrence that you saying some crazy crime going on out there. But yeah, I mean what why did you like those pictures Matt? Like you’re at which pictures are slasher pictures like that like specifically those ones like yeah you have some thoughts on that. Like why?

Those was so cool to us? I’m kind of like Yeah. I’m not worried, but I’m definitely like aware of my potential role as like, I’m just a tourist or like. Yeah, so cool. It’s Mount druitt, Western City. Like, yeah, Yum, Yum, Yum. Like, let me just like grab this and like ingest this, right? Like, it’s like some

Appropriations shit. Yeah, we definitely we wanted to be wary of like essentializing Western Sydney. I’d like we don’t want to like have like a kind of rude Fascination if that makes sense. You know, it’s like you meet someone that’s different. Like, and from you and you don’t to be like, wow, like where are you from?

And like you know, you want to be like rude about that stuff, but also like, you know, it’s interesting to see parts of your city that you live in that you love, you know, I loved Sidney. I love all of it. And like, you know, there’s huge parts of it that we just never get to bump up against you and then this pair of pictures by slides.

Like I mean, just from like a purely photography, like photographic Like I want to say lens from just like that Viewpoint. It’s really interesting photography. It’s like the first picture doesn’t have a flash and the second picture does have a flash

on. So it’s kind of this like these two lighting conditions that are like playing just as to photographs and then in the first one because there’s no flash. It’s like there’s a motion blur which like sets you up for the kind of cinematic motion that I was saying. These two images kind of

superimposed on each other. Plus like I never I never see pictures of shit going down. Like like this is like this is like a real moment. There’s like a bunch of like tough-looking, fellas, like standing out the front of a gate and something’s happening like something’s like not like no

one’s chill in this picture. And you know, I’m just looking at them now like, you know, I’m really into Black and Whites right now and everything that that does from my eye to. Yeah, there’s just it’s cool shit like this. Especially the second one to me with the flash. Like there’s this one central figure, you can see his rat’s

tail hanging down and he’s standing right up next to this fence. And it’s just like damn what is what is about to happen? What has happened? I want to know what you think about these pictures out of me. I just looked at it and it literally looks like my high school that they’re standing here. Like I’m questioning is this is this my high school?

He used to describe that to me as a prison. It literally looks like a prison. It’s manager. The pictures are called like met okay 20:22. Well we need to Chuck a picture of my high school up on. Yeah, that could be the age for this podcast, but it is look at looks like Russian brutalism, like there are no windows. It’s jumping concrete walls where it’s all like old and dirty with bird shit all over

it. And I went to different high schools and the second one I went to that look like that. I remember walking and they’re just like, oh, Oh God. I didn’t get out of it. I was like, this is not where dreams are happening. Yeah, yeah. You can tell. Yeah, but it’s a pretty cool picture. I mean, it just looks like a bunch of young rough dudes out there, like, it looks like my

younger brother and all honesty. It doesn’t look like anything special to me, but I can see how if you’re not from the own, you looked at that. You’d be like, well, this is a commentary on something. But do you get a sense that like, like there’s a story here like someone’s done something wrong or like someone’s about to get fucked up or something? Like, look at the way they’re all standing around.

I think they’re not just killing her rating, like, it looks nondescript to me. I think there’s an interesting thing that is just like he is a candid moment of a bunch of young dudes hanging out. But do you think they’re hanging out or do you think there’s like some business going down? I mean, who knows? What’s being traded in their hands? But that’s not what I mean. That’s like a funny like thing that dudes do out there as they

just loiter, it’s just loitering.

I go like, oh yeah, I see, I see, yeah. I mean, I don’t know. Who knows? Maybe they threw a bummer inside? Well, what’s going on in there? Yeah. I have me an atom. Read those outfits. So differently. I’m like, there’s Gary Adams. Like, they look like my brother, exactly. But casual as fuck, but I’m interested too. In like, yeah, like we wouldn’t have seen that like when we were

in unity and we were going to galleries in New Town. Yeah. That would not have been the subject out for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows whether that’s just because dudes from out west have started. Making more art, or whether there’s, lots of people like me that grew up out west and they’ve now moved to the inner West and they’re presenting and Galleries and things like we got

a few references that could come to mind. But there’s obviously some guys we know that go to Art School in the inner West and they make art and they’re probably producing she like this. And I think it doesn’t normal tendency for people to want to represent their upbringing or whatever. I don’t really have much of that besides this podcast. And so maybe the artists that

put that there were like hey here’s something. That you guys haven’t seen. This is what my life was like. But like, okay, I reading I got to counterpoints your own history. I’m a, I’m a, I’m a replay, my man’s own history, it, okay? To things you were an artist in high school and you are a painter and you fucking got a

painting in the egg which was a pretty cool painter. I gather your mom’s well as it but you tell me sometimes you’re like I would have liked to go to art school. I kind of wasn’t an option to me. Yeah. Like the values of my Friends were like not and that kind of played out, right? Well, I was definitely not cool amongst my friends and I

remember being pushed into art by my teachers and parents because they thought it was like like a good thing for me to do to be a not bad behaving kid, they were like Hey try this creative Outlet. You might be able to like pull back your bad behavior, a little bit and I thought that was like

a form of control. So it was aversive and as An older obviously my associations with art of change through knowing you guys and just like having been exposed to a bunch of it. But now I see that us go would have been fucking sick and fun. And I didn’t know that when I was younger, I was like, okay, you’re gonna go and like draw

anime figurines or whatever the other dudes in my school were doing. So yeah, like if I could go back in time and show my younger self. What I know now, I would be like, yeah, it’s cool stick with it. You get better at that skill, but I don’t really have any regrets about it. Yeah, cool to say but there was no fucking Tian Xin the nass

post-grad show and like, write one of these artists, like, I don’t know, Sly, I don’t know. But if you had like someone who had had your background like you’re up in penrith or whatever and like you know hadn’t lived in the NL West for 10 years. I don’t know how cozy they would feel it nass.

I don’t know if I don’t know if I’d feel uncomfortable but it goes back to the thing about like, whatever you want to call that trait of finding. People that think they’re better than others. Disgusting. Like when it comes to tell use a laugh, we’re not even in the Australian way. Just like the Western Sydney when were talking about where if people are taking themselves too seriously. One of my First Reactions is to

select shit on it because it’s an easy kind of reaction. It’s like oh like you’re it’s basically a value game, right? Like that person thinks they’re doing a thing that makes them better than you. And so an easy defensive mechanism is to be like fuck you and then pull it back down. Yeah. I guess it’s sort of tall poppy but Yeah, I probably wouldn’t feel uncomfortable there but I’d

probably make fun of it or like talk shit about it. Well now you would a maybe if you were 17 or 18, I probably still would like behind closed heads. You’d make fun of it, but I can imagine it. Like, I mean, I feel like you would have been an outsider like straight-up. Oh yeah. We don t like NASA’s 17 or 18. Like when everyone else was there. Everyone else is like I’ve been

thinking of going to NASA my whole life. It’s going to be so pretty. Yeah, and I don’t know. Yeah, that’s just a it’s we don’t know but we don’t know how you would have run a batting to Yeah. We’re going to run the simulator like maybe now maybe now like the you that’s at fucking skin Park is 16 sees like that

teacher being like you should paint and it’s like okay maybe I will but that’s crazy. They see a lion like oh he’s good amazing amazing one generation bro like one generation after generation after generation hasn’t had a kid as a half is a few years potentially were saying the like opportunity for you to go to Art School like that, you know, five

years ago was pretty. Much like the like yep system just wasn’t set up to support that and now it’s like, oh, maybe you could look even if you think about local art creation out there now, like I bet amongst 14 as an example when those guys started making our, they probably had a way different reaction from their friends and surroundings than I

did when I was younger. I was like I wasn’t bullied for it or anything like that, but I just remember not receiving any reward or like incentive from my my friend groups and things. Whereas if those guys Doing it. Who knows? It’s if it’s because they got like media exposure or they. Now think different things are cool but they probably are like

hyped up by their friends, right? And so they’re more likely to do it and more likely to make art or go to art school, or whatever it is. Everyone wants their referent it? Now your incentives. Yeah. I could, it be like, who knows? I could’ve been rapping. That’ll be sick. Maybe I could have followed my beatboxing in trouble. One fault built a studio in marrickville. So the hanging back for that? Yeah, we go. We’re going to see Parramatta

lanes and a local like producer who does a bunch of hip-hop name, redacted like knows that like I’m like a soft inner West boy, I play guitar music, I sing songs and like I don’t think he knows we’re on a podcast but he likes ice there and he’s like, what are you doing here? Like whereas the, you know, as

if like, it’s a secret or whatever like yeah, I was like surprised to see that I was into hip-hop to maybe. Yeah. As I was crashing thing. Yeah, yeah. And I have more like a street wear. Yeah, jerk. You kind of do but not not hugely. Yeah, like you. I’m on you townie. You’re my new town. Yeah. I think maybe that’s why he was reacting to as well because it

was like dress, like everyone else. He was like, yeah, goes, yeah, Street wearing stuff and use it. Well. Yeah, he was a bit impressed. Actually was like, oh, cool. That’s like reading. We’ve had a few times as well. And yet sometimes, like it’s crazy. Like even now we’re talking to a couple of people like 21 years old and I still got, I’ve had it a couple times this year I’m like, I live in Ashfield and

people like that’s out west. I’m like bro, Haley. But then the other one from people that are like, quote cool if you like imma hit up a gallery in Fairfield. They’ll be like oh sick like 66 if that’s so cool of. Yeah, so the jury’s out breweries are billed. As cool as shit. Was fucking cool.

Sydney. It’s like, yeah, there’s good food. It’s fucking trendy. It’s not. I think it’s good food. That’s all they got, but they don’t know about the table that’s been on the lawn for a week. You guys put that on the table and I’m not going to tell you. One thing I want to say is like so we went to that gig and I don’t know if this is just me I don’t know if this is because

like I’m not from the west but I definitely felt like there was something special in the air. When we went to like Parramatta nights like Adam and I went there and we saw some gigs and it just felt free and it just felt fun and it felt like there really was like a sense of community in a way that is sometimes missing from like in a West gigs where it feels like

there’s a bit more. I like that La Vibe like who’s here that I can see like who can maybe like help me with my career. Like who should? I mean like that is an inner West Side like undeniably. Yeah, but I’ve noticed with us just because we’re outside is, but I felt like we were comfy as hell at that gate. Thank you. And I were just like we can just fucking enjoy. My usual, say fun and friendly.

And I definitely felt that out there and I agree. Like you’ve made some interesting points to me but you might be able to say but like the inner West spaces for creative. Like music and visual arts and stuff, does feel like a lot of status signaling where you go in there and you’re like, okay here’s my chance to prove on

cool, all I for sure. Oh yeah, cool, cool or whatever. Sure. Where is that a Parramatta night? It’s like, obviously it was a sick night with some cool music. I mean, everyone wants to look cool paramotor nights to write like the show out of it. Yeah. That actually seemed like they were then saying, like, you know what? I think it looks as cool as me. Yeah, we all look cool or you

look last year, the fuck? Yeah. But I looked way more Authentic, right? Like when people dressed in stre where they you look at them and you’re like, okay, you’re dressing and strew are because you are straight, it just made sense. What Matt said to me, I was like, whoa, like because in the UK like Street where even though it is happening here, like streetwear or whatever we want to call that is like the dominant mode of dressing. Yeah.

Like in Newtown it’s not quiet. He’s stuff. Yeah, I do stuff and and and whatever jeans. Yeah, it’s kind of jeans like old man genes rather than like a fresh crispy Gia. Like it just felt like the fashion was so cohesive. Yeah, what I said to you was gonna hang. She remembered. Exactly. I was like, people play at

Street where but it’s Street was actually happening here tonight. Yeah, yeah, I think the like cases, right word to describe it, right? You look at everybody out there that was young and they don’t watch the music and they all looked the same in a way which leads you to believe that. It’s like an authentic representation of the crowd. Whereas, if you go to a like Gallery space or musical space

in the city, you can pick out like a fashion. Herb from every single fucking error or like style. And so for someone to decide they want to present themselves like that, I don’t know if you can like jump to the conclusion that maybe it’s like less authentic or there has to be some more thoughtful decision, making process that went into

them deciding to wear that, right? And so it almost seems more poser. Like why are you, why did you decide to look like a cowboy? Why did you decide to dress industry? Where even though you work at a start-up in sorry Hills. Okay, what’s going on here? Hmm. Interesting. Definitely feels more low-key and just friendly. Yeah.

When we went to that, when we went to visit, like I do think every Thursday and we’ve kind of missed this topic entirely but like the race and ethnicity and culture. Yeah. And like I don’t know, maybe we need to get some more people on to discuss that like, yeah, the three of us don’t really have any experience with that like out west, but like for instance, when Paris doesn’t opening like

they cook all this food and like have you seen the pictures? Like it just looks like it just makes sense. Yeah, It’s like that. A gallery opening is a great course we would eat together. It’s not just like some shit. It’s up. Takeaway pizza. Yeah. It’s a nice, beautiful thoughts. Yeah. And I’m like, oh, this would make everyone feel comfy. Yeah. And in that space, I can just it just to me when I see those pictures I’m like, oh this just makes complete sense, but I

don’t think I’ve ever eaten in a gallery anywhere else ever. Not like that. Not like that had cheese. Yeah. That counts is eating that’s old. Well yeah, race and ethnicity is like, highly represented in the other like things we’ve seen about. Essence in either, right? So it’s less of an interesting point to touch on whether it’s

the combination, the Fillmore, there’s that other podcast, the Western I think it’s called or even that new movie that just came out like here out west, I remember watching it thinking it was going to be like, I don’t know. I was sort of expecting a version of the combination with it, but it was just like, here’s a bunch of ethnic families in Western Sydney. Yeah. And I was kind of disappointed. I was like, oh yeah, I guess

that’s one presentation of. Yeah. But it’s not like the one I’m interested in and I think like this Ready heaps of people out there saying. Okay, this is a spot where heaps of immigrants move, and yeah, housing is more affordable. And what the thing about that’s the the one of the things about Western Sydney, right? Yeah, yeah. And then like, like, the inner

West is so white. Like, it’s so, so, why it’s like, very like tolerant and, like, understanding as we were kind of talking about this last episode, not Nashville baby, but but yeah, the NOS like generally speaking is like, why white? And we’re kind of like we’re a bit over that I think we’ve been About that. I mean we crying about it but we

also like kind of all that. Yeah, I would actually that we’re like saying gentrification is bad and getting expensive bottles of wine easy. So that’s the game, that’s the trick. Yeah you say 1 in both like yeah fucking cheeky. Yeah. Bottle of wine in one hand magazine. The other kids on your shoes. Yeah.

And a glint in your eye. Yeah yeah yeah. And I think that’s now where we’re going to wrap up. So physically, yeah. Awesome, guys, thank you so much. Right thing, hit us up on Spotify and apple podcast. Subscribe, leave 5 Stars. Tell your best friend about this podcast. Hit me up on Habbo Hotel at Adam. 69 the go hit me up on.

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Show notes

Hung up weighs in on Western Syd with help from our dear friend Adam (2759). We cover his art school aspirations, how hard it was to find kale in the west, aus hip hop, and what it was like growing up in Penrith (2750) and moving to Newtown (2042). We briefly chat @sly__morikawa’s show at TCS windows and examine the tension in her photos of Western Syd. And we once again ask, who can wear TNs?