3.11 How to look at clothes like a seamstress

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My name is Matt. I’m Aiden. And you’re listening to Hung Up. We’re standing on the corner of King Street and Wilson Street. And it’s a fucking beautiful, booming Friday night. Friday night. We’ve got a special episode for you this week. We’ve got an interview with Callie Comical. It means we’re going to look at outfits pretty differently from now on. I’ve actually been looking at outfits different. Like I’ve had my first impulse and then I’ve been like manually overriding it. Me too. Yeah, that’s really dope. Yeah, great. Okay, well.

Stick around. Yeah, I fucking enjoy the episode. Okay. Bye.

Actually, well, let’s introduce you first. So we’re sitting here with Indigo. Hi. Do you want to like say who you are and what you do? Yeah, sure. I’m Indigo. I work as a seamstress and commercial screen printer in costume and fashion. And I’ve been at it since I was about 15, 16. And I’m 22 now and working for myself.

Yeah. Damn. Nice. That’s it. Did you go to uni for fashion? No, I did not. I learned how to sew and screen print from an incredible woman called Laura Walsh who owns a shop on Parramatta Road called Bobbin and Ink. Like in year 10, I did my work experience there.

And then the high school I went to cut textiles, the public school. And I just wanted to keep learning because it was something I was more interested in than going to school. So I just asked if I could keep volunteering and working for free.

And she kindly let me on board. That led to employment in the shop. And a lot of the time I was just stripping screens, communicating with clients. It’s a teaching facility. So you get asked a lot of questions about how should I sew this and how should I do that?

And at the time I didn’t really know. So I’d have to go home and inform myself through a lot of videos and books. And I’d stay after hours and just, you know, use the facilities and the carousels and make a lot of mistakes. And it would cost money, but not a huge amount.

But really, like making mistakes is the best way to learn, I think. Absolutely. Yeah. And then from there, I did a bit of work at TAFE, at Ultimo TAFE. I’m still enrolled in a costume production course there, but I really struggle with it to like go and work within the design briefs as well.

But I love the teacher there, Roz O’Dell. She’s my favorite human being on earth. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these TAFE teachers like give their whole life to it. Like, yeah, some really inspirational people there. I think that’s something really important with like where I’ve gotten to is I always knew like I wouldn’t be going to uni straight out of high school.

Fuck yeah. And I’m, you know, working on jobs with people that have gone through uni, but they still haven’t received the training that I’ve gotten through work and being on jobs. Because it’s like four or five years out of their life. And now they’re finally getting into these jobs.

Whereas someone else has years on them of experience already. Yeah. On the job. Yeah. Yeah. And it feels also like with fashion or with anything where you’re like making things that that was kind of a more traditional like way. Right. It’s kind of like an apprenticeship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there’s so much like extra baggage that goes into like justifying a curriculum.

Yeah. Right. Like which you might not need. It’s kind of the same with coding. Right. Yeah. I like coding and like I don’t have a degree in coding. Like I got a BA. But it’s like a lot of people now can like learn the tools in like six months and do the job. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So I don’t know. There’s a lot to be fucking said for like hands on shit.

Yeah. That’s cool. Because there’s all this stuff like with uni about like permission and entitlement and like, you know, like these art schools can have that vibe as well. Right. Can have a bit of like a, you know, do I deserve to be here? Yeah. I always felt like, am I allowed to say I’m an artist if I didn’t go to like one of the Sydney art schools?

Like, and like it’s taken me a long time to be like, you know what? I can say I’m an artist. Yeah. I’m the same with saying I’m a seamstress and screen printer. Right. Like I’ve never been trained like in screen printing. I’ve had a few classes from my, from Laura, but like everything has just been learned along the way.

Cool. But you’re doing it. Like you’re, you’re actually, it’s your business to screen print. Like I see all these like bands and like local people, you know, like with your shirt. It’s sick. Yeah. Thank you. Actually, let’s talk about the screen printing a little bit. I want to get more into your, your work, but like, I don’t mean this in a mean way, but why are people picking you?

Like, what are you offering? That’s a really great question. I’ll be honest. I, I network when I go. Right on. All right. Yeah. Um, it’s a part of the job. Um, especially as a female screen printer, cause we’re, there’s a very, very low percentage of women in the screen printing industry.

You’re not trusted as much. You’re seen as a artistic printer. At least I’ve always been mistaken as all you print posters and shit. I’m like, no, like I work on a carousel. Yeah. I do runs of hundreds of shirts and it fucking kills my arms. But like I try, you know, I guess cause too, it is a very manual job.

Yeah. Like you really do feel pain in your entire body once you finish a run. Wow. And then I think, I guess like, it seems like what you’re most well known for, at least like from what I’ve seen online is your corsets. Yeah. Um, so can we talk about that a little bit? It seems like you’re using some really cool, like traditional, like maybe Victorian, like construction techniques.

Like, can you get like really nerdy and technical for me? And like, of course I can.

Like maybe what, like what drew you to corsets initially? What drew me to corset? Uh, look, corsetry as a whole, especially today is a very, uh, there’s a lot of misguided information.

Um, you will read and see a lot of videos about this, about how, uh, in history, you know, Photoshopping to an extent did exist in photographs. People weren’t as disproportioned as we think they were.

They were also wearing different kinds of underpinnings that accentuated the bust and the hips. I see. So those pictures of people with like incredibly thin waist, that wasn’t. No, look at like the, look at the, uh, the size of their heads and width of their shoulders, you know, and try to proportionize that in your head. Yeah.

Yes. And then think, wait, their hips are, you know, quite large. Yeah. They’ve, cause they’ve got like bum pads and hip rolls underneath. I see. I see. Yeah. Um, yeah. But you’re using some of these, um, historical techniques. You’re probably not like, uh, doctoring images yet, but like, um, can you run me through like, how does it go?

How do you put a corset together? How do you put a corset together? How do you do it anyway? Um, I think, well, I think something that stands out more about the corsets I’ve produced for my own brand is that I’m able to implement screen printing in it as well, which creates a modernized twist to a historical silhouette by putting this kind of weird print over the fabric.

Cool. How I put a corset together. So, um, I first design it. I first design it. What era do I want it to read more towards, you know, because, um, they weren’t always called corsets as well. Like different periods, they were called jumps and stays, and then it turned into a corset.

Um, so I pick a period, uh, what do I want it to look like? And then I start to look at fabrics, decide if I want to print anything. I take a corset block, which is a pattern. And then I was lucky enough to just get from TAFE.

It’s just a general, I think, six panel corset. And then I’ll make up a toile. Toile is a, I think it’s a French word for like mock-up essentially. Okay. Out of calico or muslin as some people call it. Mm-hmm. And then drape it onto the mannequin and start to draw or map in design lines.

If I want to create more panels, does it need to be underbust, overbust? Do I want it to cinch at the waist or do I want it to push up and accentuate the bust? Um, is there going to be straps? How are people getting in and out of it? What is the outer fabric going to look like in different lights as well?

That’s something you have to consider in costume a lot. And then from there, you decide on a pattern. You make a, uh, I like to do a cortile mock-up with boning and then fit that to the client. Can you describe whether it is a cortile mock-up? Cortile is a tightly woven cotton fabric that is the most efficient fabric for corsetry.

Mm-hmm. It comes in, um, kind of has a herringbone sort of print, not print, sorry, woven herringbone stripe in it. And it’s the staple for corsetry. Anything else, um, it’s, it strays from traditional corsetry, but I always try to find cheaper alternatives

to things. So I’ve experimented with buckram, which is also really good and canvas as well, which works too. But if it’s going to be a proper corset that cinches, it really does need to be cortile. I think. Yeah. And, um, what about the boning? Like, is that, does that come from like bones?

Like do people use bones? Oh, they did used to use bones. Yeah. Um, they used to be like whale bone, boning. Uh, now we use synthetic whale bone. Okay. Uh, but in this modern day we use spiral steel boning and plastic boning and then steel boning

too. If you really want to go crazy with it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. They’re amazing. Like objects. It’s, it seems a little bit more, I don’t know, like a t-shirt or like a dress or a pair of pants. Like they’re, they’re not, they’re not nearly as like loose as that. They’re very constructed. And like, yeah, I don’t know.

It’s, I feel like people want to use the word like constricting, like it’s squeezing you, but I don’t know. Is that the whole truth? Like, is there something like you’ve worn them? I’m sure I’d like fit them and stuff. Is that like, can you give me more about what it feels like to wear one? And like, yeah. Why are you worried? They’re not comfortable. Like, like, uh, wedding dress isn’t comfortable, you know, the most comfortable thing you could

wear is like your fucking pajamas or something. But they’re not as bad as people think they are. You’ll hear a lot of people online talk about this and give opinions on this, but, um, they, they, they definitely help with my posture.

Sometimes I’ll, I mean, like I’ve, I’ve worn one while I’ve sewn before cause I’ve just can’t sit up properly, you know, but it definitely affects your, uh, how you breathe. So it’s important to breathe through the chest because you can’t, um, push your abdomen in

and out when you’re wearing a corset. Yeah. Um, you’re going to be very upright obviously, and you’re restricted in movement too, but I don’t know. I think everyone’s kind of got to try it for themselves. It’s, it’s tight around the body. You, it leaves marks when you take it off, you can see where the boning is.

Um, but if you don’t tight lace it, you’re, you’re not going to die. Okay. Cool. They don’t really kill people. I mean, just so you were mentioning you do like costuming stuff as well. Are these corsets, are these like for the street or are they for costumes?

Street corset. I mean, I wear mine out on the street. Um, no, a lot of the corsetry I’ve done in costuming, uh, probably the biggest has been for Moulin Rouge, which has finally come to Sydney. Yeah. Um, my dad worked on that.

Yeah. What did he do? He worked at this. Now it’s like a stage show, right? Yeah. That’s what I’m talking about. He worked on like the original film. Sick. When was that? 90s? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Roz, my tape teacher worked on the original. Yeah. Fuck yeah. They probably know each other. Yeah. And I was like, oh. That’s funny. So cool. So you got some costumes in that show.

Yeah. Yeah. I just worked in a costume workroom under a brilliant man called Nigel Shaw. Um, I was fortunate enough to get into the workroom from one of my mentors, Olivia Djer, who’s incredible.

And we made a shit ton of corsets. There’s, there’s a lot of corsets in the show. That’s sick. I got to see it. I haven’t seen the film. You haven’t seen the film? I haven’t even seen the film. My, my daddy’s names on it, but I’m like, I’m like, nah, I’m like rebelling. He was like, he probably like build sets or something.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know the curtains at the Vanguard are from Moulin Rouge? The red curtains that they have. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. I found that out when we played there a couple of weeks ago. We used to have some props like in our old apartment. Cool. I thought they were scary when I was a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it that farm in, on the Kolo river? And he’s got like a bunch of like old Moulin Rouge props, like strewn around the farm,

like shop fronts and shit like that. Yeah. Cool. All right. That was fucking sick. That was so interesting. Um, I guess like next I would be cool to, what do you reckon? Talk about like RTTS and what you make there. And then I guess maybe we’re going more into a conversation about like, I mean, we can fucking

talk about whatever, but I did want to talk about like, yeah, like fashion on the street. Yeah. Like what people are actually wearing and. Yeah. A little bit of like opinions about that. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Okay. Um, I’ll quickly say this. Judging people is really wrong. Um, and I don’t think I have any ground to judge what people wear on the street, but I

know what I like and don’t like. Um, I like when people dress for themselves. I like when people wear interesting clothing. I like when people know obviously what works for them.

And what I like the most is when what people wear expresses the character and type of person they are. Because street fashion is a lot like costuming, you know, we’re all just little characters in this world. We’re actors. Yeah. Um, yeah.

What do you want to know about like the street? But wait, don’t tell me you’ve never had like a laugh, like with a friend, like, like look at what they’re wearing, like at someone like. I don’t know. I just like, because I work, I don’t know. It took a long time for me to even dress for myself, you know?

So I don’t see the point in, in that. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. It just feels like really deeply wrong. So I work with clothes all the time. I’m like. That’s a cool take on that. Yeah. I wonder if you can even like, cause yeah, I don’t know how it is for you. Like you make music and when you listen to music, like you’re no longer just an audience

member. It almost like you can’t really go back. That’s a good point. You can’t just see it as like whatever anymore. Like I just did comedy for the first time and I went to a comedy night the last night and I’d seen it before and it was weird. It was like mad different. Like last night was mad different.

Instead of just being like, you suck. Like, why aren’t you making me laugh? I was like, ah, cool. Like, why’d you choose that word? Like it almost like good or bad. Yeah. Like just that had faded away. I wasn’t just like an audience member, like your heart or you look good or you’re like clothes are cool. I was almost seeing like, yeah, it’s like your vision has been changed and it can’t,

it’s kind of hard to go back. It’s cause you’re seeing an opportunity to learn, you know, like I’ve never worked, uh, done a bit of styling, but a lot of respect for stylists and how they work and operate. It’s a very intense job too. But even they, you know, looking at people walking down the street, they might take a photo

that just read into it and use it for reference. Um, it’s what makes history and fashion. But I do think fashion is like that, even just like saying like people dressing for themselves. Like I always come back to that question of like, what does that even mean? Cause like, it’s almost like, yeah, is that even possible?

Like I want to ask like, cause it’s like your fashion. Yeah. I don’t know. Like it feels like, like how can something that relies on the culture? Like it kind of relies on you being seen, right? Like your fashion or like a part of it. Like once you take it out of your house and you start walking down the street and you’re

like, you’re kind of, you’re trying to fit it into a context, like the world’s context. It kind of only, it like, like, does it exist like just in your house? Like it doesn’t exist in the same way, right? Like your outfit kind of means so many different things.

It says so much about a person. It’s the first thing that we judge is what a person’s wearing or what a person looks like, where they’re going, what they’ve been doing today. Like have they walked out in the street in their pajamas and Uggs? Oh, they must just be getting a coffee or some shit.

Yeah. Are they wearing heels and a dress and all dolled up? They must be going out. Yeah. Are they in a suit? They must be going out. Yeah. Do they look really, really swag? They must be a really, really swag person. And then like, it really is the first thing that people judge about a person.

Like there’s so much like between us happening. Cause it’s like that band shirt. Okay. I know the artist. I’m like loading it with like, I’m like in this room. Yeah. I’m like, or not even in this room. But like, if you see the swag guy or the corporate guy, if I’m like sick of my corporate job and I see a guy in a suit and I’m like walking down the street and like last night’s

clothes, going to get a coffee. I’ll be like, haha, corporate sucker. Or like, if I’m really poor, I’m like, damn, that guy looks really good. Like I wish, I wish I looked that good in a suit. So it’s like literally on different days or like the morning or the afternoon, the way you, or like, I’m like, those shoes look weird. And then like someone that I respect is like, these shoes are sick.

And then I see them the next time. I’m like, oh yeah, those shoes are sick. Yeah. Shoes especially. The viewer is bringing so much to the table. Yeah. Like constantly. Like it’s so dynamic. Yeah. Like literally one, like one day an outfit is weird. And the next day I’m like, that’s the sickest thing ever. It’s the sickest thing ever. And there’s so much context to people’s outfits as well.

Like even what you guys are wearing, like those shoes are very in Solomon’s right now. You got a fluffy. Uniqlo. Uniqlo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some hunting get up. Yeah. I really like the hunting get up. I really, yeah. I’m like, I really need a new jacket. I’m like, this jacket sucks.

But I’m like, I, what did we find? I found some really funny, like with the whole like gorp. Yeah. Like thing of like how technical, like how practical can like your clothes get. And I was actually on like a hunting website, like looking for clothes, a contemporary hunting website. And I was like, is that fashion enough?

Or will I just look like a weird, like farm boy? How did U-Turn Roselle? They have a really impressive camo and hunting section. And a lot of it’s coming from America. And next time you see us, we’re just going to be invisible. I’ll see you there. It’s all legitimate hunting gear and army clothing.

Yeah. And it’s cheap as fuck. Like it’s really, really good. Yeah. Right. Actually, do you have any like other cool like shops that you go to or like any spots that you want to blow up? Absolutely. On the pod? I think I’ll just plug a few brands I really admire. Obviously, Ramp Tramp Tramp Stamp, Neve’s Shop in Haymarket, RTTS Land, Stocks, a lot of

insanely talented designers. Yourself included. Thank you.

Hydro Lava, really beautiful dyeing work. The owner, Ebony, does insanely cool tie-dye, denim, lots of rhinestoning and stuff. There’s a great brand I’m seeing around a lot called Sweet Dreams Bitter Reality owned

by a guy called Nick. Again, like the amount he pumps out is just, it’s so impressive. He really puts so much into it. I’m sure you guys know like Jody Just, who’s an Australian designer. No, I don’t. Roman’s a really cool guy.

He’s blowing up big time too. And I don’t know. I just try to buy things from my friends. I haven’t bought fast fashion in years now, except for undergarments and socks. Because there’s still things you struggle to find that are ethically made and produced.

The socks especially. True. Socks. I need new socks and new undies. Yeah, yeah. We all ran out of new socks and undies at the same time. Like you, me, and my housemate. Somehow. Somehow we synced up like that. That’s the economy, dude. Yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fast fashion. So one of the things, like I was just feeling like generally stressed like last week when we went to the show in Fairfield.

Because I was like, damn, I’m working full time for the first time. I’m really feeling. And just everyone’s like, world’s going a little bit wild right now. And it’s like in our face. Or it’s hitting me a lot right now. And one of the things that I felt like, yeah, so we went to Fairfield. And it’s like a gallery in the museum. And there was like one family there. And you’re in like kind of a quiet suburban area.

And they have like funny little like suburban amenities. Like you can help yourself to like tea and coffee. Yeah. And you know those like ugly little white mugs. Like they’re like tall. I didn’t think they were that ugly. I love those mugs. They’re pretty ugly. They’re like square. Like you’d see them at like a motel. Like a soft square. Yeah. Hot. You know those little break rooms when they’re like the tradies are building.

Yeah, I have a problem with the mugs. Like, but they’re a certain type of mug. Like you wouldn’t have that mug in your house. It’s not a tasteful mug. I would get the mugs. We’re all drinking out of jars and protein shakers and wine glasses. So Matt could do with some motor mugs. But there was something about the space where it’s a really community space. And you can feel the smallness of it. Yeah, it was really cute.

Like someone like had like their three like daughters there. Like four. Or like two daughters and a son just for like the Sunday thing to do. Yeah, it was really cute. And it wasn’t like, oh, scary trendy people are here. No, it wasn’t very sexy. But for like, yeah, like what I was going to say is that, yeah, the whole vibe and also like the work that they had there really like chilled me out.

It like really felt like de-alienating. Like we’re sitting on the grass, like recording some notes. And I was like, you know, they had a lot of stuff about like, yeah, they’re like, this is, they had a big sign being like, look how fucked fast fashion is. Like fast fashion does X, Y, Z. And we all kind of like know that. But yeah, it’s not, it’s this tough kind of like, maybe it’s a capitalist pressure.

Like you run out of time. And you just go on. I’ll just say going back to not judging people. I think a way to eliminate consumers endorsing in fast fashion is because everybody feels so judged and put on a pedestal to wear what is trending right now and keep up with the times.

But if everybody dressed for themselves, they wouldn’t endorse in it as much as they do. So true. And they’d keep clothes alive for a lot longer because they like it. Like, fuck, you know, when people buy something they really like at the time and then start to see it everywhere, they’re like, oh, I can’t wear this anymore.

But if you like it, just fucking wear it. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Like you’re talking about keeping clothes going. Like, yeah, I bought these Dickies as like work pants and I was looking at them and like the way they’re made. It’s like, I reckon these could last a hundred years if you just look after them. Like no worries. Like you could wear them for a hundred years, you know?

And so it seems like, yeah, like the, the, um, yeah, it kind of comes from like two ends. It’s like, there’s, there’s like the industry being like, you need new clothes, you need new clothes, you need to be in the new season. But there’s also people being like, on the other end being like the, I’ve had these for a year. I’ve had these for two years. Like, yeah, why not 10 years?

Why not 20 years? You know, like I’ve only ever worn out one pair of jeans and that’s because they were already secondhand. You know what I mean? Everything else I’ve just traded or sold or like, you know, it just moves on. Um, yeah, it’s crazy. I think like people don’t understand how well made most of these clothes are. They don’t. Um, yeah, that’s, that’s like our information, like our billboard campaign.

Like stop buying new jeans. Yeah. It’s so hard. Like even what you’re saying, like, I see it a lot. Like I see it in myself. I see it in friends. My sister’s 17 and she goes to like, yeah, like a private school. She goes to like skulls. And it’s funny because I’ll see like, like she is to me, like the number one consumer in my life of fast fashion.

And she just has to have like, and then you’ll see like her and her friends walking down the street and everyone will be. They all look the same. They all look exactly the same. And it’s kind of funny. But you can see like, that’s probably like a high school kids are like some of the most insecure people who feel the most judged. And so in a way it’s like, it’s like, no, no, no. If I’m wearing the same clothes as you, like I’m like you and I’m in the group.

So like, do you have anything about like getting to that point? Cause it is kind of cool to be like, dress for yourself, know what you like. And that’s like maybe how Matt and I feel like in an art gallery. But we notice people like in art galleries, like feeling uncomfortable. Yeah. Because that kind of takes a certain level of like, you know. Confidence.

Yeah. Confidence and comfort and knowledge. And like, we built that up over years. Like you have like, like you’re a professional. So it’s like, of course, like you’re going to be cool with it. But it’s like, what about if you’re feeling that pressure? You’re like, but I don’t know what my style is. Like, I don’t know what my fashion identity is. Like, I’m just feeling stressed about it.

Like, how do you get closer to like the clothes that like, I totally agree. Like I love that definition of like the coolest fashion is the one that’s like expressing like your character. That’s the most beautiful idea. That’s what it’s there for. That’s why it keeps changing. Otherwise, we’d all be wearing linen, beige, like appropriate clothing for the weather or time of year, you know.

Very dystopian. But I think somebody that wants to come into their own self and style. Look, fashion isn’t for everybody. And a lot of people will debate on this. They’re like, I don’t have time to, you know, endorse in fashion and create my own style.

It’s not for me. That’s completely fair enough. But wear what feels comfortable to you. You know, just wear what feels genuinely comfortable. I think you just have to look at yourself in the mirror a lot. Not give a fuck when you leave the house. Wear.

Just wear what feels comfortable. Yeah. And also wear what you like. Like it doesn’t squeeze my belt too hard or something. Yeah, definitely that. I definitely dress like an absolute dad a lot of the time. Like all of my shirts are like 3XL.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But comfort to me is also what has been inspiring me lately, you know, like music, artists, people too. Like my friends and family as well.

Wow. And taking little bits of them and dressing myself as them as well. You really do create a character when you get dressed and leave the house. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. It’s amazing how powerful like an outfit can be. Like we had this gig recently where the like surprise was that we all like emerged with a costume change.

Dope. And the like, the music is kind of like, it’s Griffin Ford. So it’s like glammy. Yeah. I did some shots with him ages ago. Oh, really? Cool. Yeah. So yeah, you know his style. Yeah, he’s sick. Yeah. The way he dresses, by the way, is amazing. Shout out to Griffin. Yeah. And like we all came out in like glammy suits with like kind of funny ties and like cool,

you know, like I got this lovely suit from Joe Liddy, who’s like an older musician in Sydney. And it’s like got flared, like, like almost bell bottom ends. It’s like this really nice brown, like nicely made thing. And I never really wear it and never fucking wear it. But after we played, I felt like a fucking CEO.

I just felt like a pimp. And I was like, man, why don’t I wear this more often? Like just go around. Amazing how much confidence you can. Like I feel like I generally have a pretty good like self-esteem or whatever already. But yeah, just amazing how much confidence a cool outfit can give you. It sounds like you have a couple of different angles professionally.

So like it’s like seamstress and like costume and then screen printing. Is that like the general outline of it? Yeah, when people ask what I do, I say I’m a seamstress in costume and fashion and a commercial screen printer. Okay. Yeah. That’s the job title. It’s a bit long.

Sure. It’s cool. It’s cool. Yeah. Thank you. But so like, do you feel like, like who do you feel your audience is, you know, for I guess it’s going to be split for those two different things. Yeah, definitely. Um, my audience in regards to sewing and printing jobs is definitely small brands or up and coming brands starting out that I am able to get in contact with or they have found me and contacted me.

Cool. Um, people that buy clothes I make, uh, people that have met me, people that are my friends. I don’t have a website up or anything yet. I will at some point, but really it’s just through Instagram, people that find me on social media.

Okay. Yeah. Do you have like an ideal audience in mind? Who do you like, who would you love to see like wearing your stuff or? JPEG mafia and all his friends. Are you going to the gig? Yes, I am. Okay. I see. I have this elaborate plan of making a pair of like stays, which is a older version of a corset and like print his lyrics all over it and like gauge his size and somehow throw it up to him on stage.

He’s literally like one of my biggest fashion inspirations. He’s a beautiful man. Fuck yeah. I love it. JPEG mafia, if you listening to this, Peggy. I love you. You brought some fans in this. I hung up. I can see.

So, um, fuck yeah. Cool. Cool. Good answer. That’s a fucking great answer. I didn’t get tickets. I haven’t had the money. We’ll try and get you a ticket. Yeah. We’ll try and find you last minute. He’ll listen to this and then he’ll put your name on the door. Fuck, maybe we add him in the post. Like just in case. Just in case. I think we should.

Yeah. I always feel like looking at the end more, I’m like, I could run past those guys and into the yard. And by the time I’m in the middle, it’s too late. And they’re just like, yeah. The last couple of gigs, they haven’t even checked tickets. They just like, they didn’t like properly check them. They just like, show me the email or whatever. But damn, I’m going to walk in with you guys then.

I’ve got nothing to lose. Well, maybe we walk out to have a smoke. We see what they’re put on our wrist. And then you just walk in like halfway through. Probably won’t even be banded. I’m all over it. We’ve got a plan. We’re scheming. We’re scheming on hold up now. Did I just light a second cigarette? No, that’s my cigarette. Okay, cool. It’s going crazy over here.

Cool. So, we got some like business questions. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I don’t know what you’re comfortable with talking about. But like, yeah. What are the, if people are like, I don’t know, just like having a drink with you or just in a room with you like, and they’re like wanting to do the same stuff or they’re like trying to get there. What are their questions?

And or what do you think would be interesting for someone to know? Yeah, I get this a lot actually, which is like, how did you get to where you are today? And how, where do I go? And the first thing I say is go do the Certificate 3 in Applied Fashion Design and Technology at TAFE, which really amps up your sewing, pattern making and CAD skills.

You come out of that course, a very efficient pattern maker, and you also know how to manufacture on a commercial level, running off a spec sheet, which is very important. And I still apply to everything I make, even if it’s just for fun, you know?

Wow. Even a one-off. Yeah, absolutely. It just makes it easier. You know, it’s a, it’s a plan that has worked for years and a plan we should all implement. But what do I say to people starting out?

Go do that course, practice, make lots of mistakes and don’t get disheartened by it. It’s like any other hobby. You’re going to make mistakes before you get good. It’s like playing music. It’s like doing a sport. You’re not going to make a Vivian Westwood gown tomorrow.

Start small. Know that you’re progressing each time you make something, even if you fuck it up. Yeah. And, you know, waste money you’ve spent on expensive materials. Be resourceful. Use old clothes. Go to secondhand shops.

Go to the sewing basket. That’s a secondhand sewing shop. They sell machines and fabric and haberdashery. Damn, where’s that? There’s one in Balmain. Cool. I think there’s a few around and it’s volunteer run as well. That sounds really cool. It’s really good. Yeah. I still go there to source stuff for like expensive jobs too, you know?

Yeah. What about money? Money? What about it? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I guess, like, do you make a living? How do you make a living? And what’s the like, I don’t know, in as much detail as you feel comfortable going into, like for like the commercial jobs or for like RTTS design stuff.

Like, yeah. How do you, how do you make sure you make money for like rent and bills and stuff? I work by the hour.

I think working by the hour is important when you’re starting out because it’s still difficult for me to quote people on jobs, especially with screen printing too. So people will say, I want 50 shirts printed. How much would that cost? Okay. How many colors?

Because that affects how many screens I’m making. Is it front and back? How big’s the design? What inks are we using? Is it from the standard permaset range or am I mixing two colors together? Do I need to buy more ink? There’s so much that goes into it. But I try to quote as best I can once I get a little bit more information.

And when it comes to any kind of production or sewing job, I purely work by the hour because I don’t think it’s possible for me to quote a lump sum. Like how much would it cost to make 10 of the stays that I just made for Niamh? I wasn’t able to give her a figure because I really didn’t know.

Even after making one and timing that, once you do production, you’re sewing, you’re not making one. And then the next one, you’re doing the 10 seams on all of them. And then you’re doing the next step, but on all of them. So, yeah. Yeah, that’s really good advice.

I think for people, like for any creative, like making thing, like that would work for a photographer too. Or like, yeah, that’s really good advice. Thanks. Is there any like, because like, yeah, a few people around like lately have been struggling with stuff like unpaid internships. Yeah. It kind of sounds like you did have to do that in the beginning.

Oh yeah. I was unpaid for a long time. Yeah. Just from my experience as a intern, my mentor, Olivia Duer taught me so much. And she, I really developed a thick skin from working with her.

She’s one of the most hardworking people I’ve ever met. And the work that we did together, even though they were long days and big jobs, she taught me so much. And when you get taught in an internship, that’s the important thing. You don’t want to be doing shit for free where you’re not learning anything. Yeah.

It’s important to the mentor to teach the intern as payment. And if that’s not happening, you shouldn’t be doing it. Damn. It doesn’t matter what kind of connection you get out of it, what, who you might get following you or some shit by the end of it, whatever your name’s going to be on, you need to get

paid in some form other than publicity. I think. That’s a fucking good point. A hundred percent. And that wraps on to what some people have been telling me. It was like, there was a lot of that, but these are really good people to know. And it might be sick to like have these connections in the future. But, but I’m really just like doing shit that I don’t care about.

Like I’m doing like, that’s the worst. Like you’re fucking writing emails or getting coffees. Right. That’s like a bad smell. Yeah. Unless you’re hands on. Cause then it kind of reframes it. Then you really are like, it’s like an apprenticeship or you’re at uni. Like if you’re learning, like literally developing the skill that you want to fucking do for

ages. Like, yeah. So it’s like, you’re kind of saying like, it has to like, yes, you, you may need to suck up not getting paid, but it’s not binary, but you still need to be pretty strict with yourself about, Hey, what am I actually getting out of this? Yeah. Absolutely. If I’m not getting like something very tangible. Yeah. Fuck this.

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. That’s really cool. Yeah. Like I have an intern now. Her name’s Joanna. And every day that she’s with me, I ask her, do you have any questions? Is there anything you want to learn about today? Is there anything you need explaining? If she has jobs coming up, I’ll advise her how I can.

And that’s really important as a mentor to advise and mentor. To actually mentor. Yeah. Yeah. To actually do it. Yeah. That’s really fucking cool. And like, like just to anyone listening, like wishing, like granting you vibing power to like put yourself in that position where like you can ask, like I need to learn, you

know, like you can ask like for a mentor to actually step up and like teach, you know, if you’re in this situation, like I was, I was really, when I was younger, I was really dead set on getting into like a recording studio. Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to all these like podcasts and reading all this stuff about it. And they were like, don’t be the guy that gets really good at washing the toilets.

You know what I mean? Like you need to like put yourself in, in the room and like ask questions and like be helpful and like, you know, whatever, polite and whatever, but you need to be learning. Otherwise they’re just going to make you get coffees for your whole life. That’s really good. Yeah. Fucking good point. Should we get into like fashion show stuff?

Fashion week stuff? Yeah, I’m ready. I just need to pee first. All right. Let’s take, let’s take five. Should we take five? Sure. Sounds good. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.

Yeah. That actually like kind of blew my mind when you were like, I don’t want to judge what people are wearing. Like, yeah, I’ve had a lot of like bitchy, mean fun being like, and, and like, we’ve talked about this like heaps. Like we’ve known each other for a long time. And like, we’ve even talked about like, like this, this question I’ve been thinking about

this recently. Like, oh yeah. So I drive, I drive a van like for my day job. And so I get a lot of like thinking time and like looking at outfits time. Yes. I see like a dozen like beautiful outfits a day sometimes, you know, especially if I’m in like busy areas. But yeah, anyway, one of the things that I think about is like you, you to me one time

were like, um, like are people like deciding what they wear in the morning? Like is that guy like, and he points to a tradie, like, is he deciding? Like, is he like dressing himself or is he like, I have a t-shirt, put the t-shirt on like. Sometimes. Yeah. It’s like a spectrum. Like sometimes you adjust, you wear whatever.

You wear the nice t-shirt. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Or put your work uniform on. Yeah. But yeah, this question of like constraints, cause like it feels wrong to like, it feels wrong to assume that. Yeah. Just because you left the house that like, this is your ideal outfit or this is like, I don’t

know, even expressing or you even feel like you’re expressing yourself in some way. Like there’s all these constraints, like money. Yeah. Like what if you just like, can’t buy new clothes right now? Yeah. Which is always like, everyone’s like, if I had the money, I would, yeah, like I would look exactly like this or whatever. So yeah. What, what is the, it’s just like the comment on like constraint or something.

Um, Indigo, what is the best compliment someone could give you about your outfit? Like that you’re wearing. I think the best compliment I’ve gotten on an outfit. I was on like a Tinder date or some shit and he was like, I don’t know if I want to marry you or if you’re going to mug me.

Nice. Yeah. That’s cool. I’m like, I like that. Cause I like, I like to seem like obviously elegant, but like, don’t fuck with me. You know, I was dressed with a bit of armor, metaphorically speaking. I actually wanted to talk about that with like, like the first photo I ever saw of you was

like online and you’re holding a sword wearing one of your things. Like, like do those corsets like feel like an armor? They do. They do. There’s a lot of boning in them, obviously. Um, and body armor is very, obviously it’s very heavy and restrictive to an extent.

You’re free to move at the joints, but your pressure points are protected, which is the whole point of them. Um, but it definitely does. And I think what I liked doing about that shoot with my darling friend, Sophie, who does all of the photos of me and my work, my personal stuff was capturing this kind of, I don’t know,

elegance, but I don’t know, deadly weapon type bit, you know, like I remember my mom like commented like Joan of Arc or some shit. And I was like, yes, mom. Thanks mommy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely some like scariness at the moment, like just in Newtown, it was like, yeah, lots

of like, I don’t know, like tough fabrics and like dirty fabrics and just like, yeah. Like raggedy, raggedy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. A little bit scary. A little bit. A little bit. T-shirts that are like fucking knackered to like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is that impulse? Cause then on the other side of like Sydney or some other suburb, like whatever.

Yeah. Paddington or like Surrey Hills. That’s like ghastly. Like, please don’t like, you got to look crisp and fresh. And it’s up to you what you want to look like. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s up to you as the individual, but I mean, there’s no denying that if we were walking down like South King or like, you know, in like a nice, like pretty cafe in Surrey, we’d get a very different sense of like.

You’d get a different reaction as well. Yeah. Yeah. It depends if you want to be noticed or not that day. I don’t say that in like a vanity sort of way. It’s more for yourself. Like, are you feeling a bit fragile and vulnerable or do you really want to present yourself for who you are?

Um, and I don’t know. I like dressing the way I dress because you make friends through it too. Like a lot of people that you lurk on on social media, you’re like, wow, I love that the way they look or there’s something intriguing about it. I feel like they’d like this and do this and oh, look, they’re going to this and listen to

this. Yeah. I can kind of see that by the way they dress. And, but then there’s also a lot of backhanded compliments. Like people fucking ask me all the time. They’re like, you look like you hang out in new town. And, um, I’m like, okay, cool. But I’m just, I don’t know. I’m just like, I’m just fucking wearing clothes.

I don’t know. You know, like, fuck off. That’s interesting though. It does definitely feel like, yeah, shared language stuff. Like if, you know, you go to a party or something and someone’s wearing something, you can, you’d be like, I feel like I’ll vibe with them more. Like, I mean, you’re like more comfortable talking to them because it’s like, oh yeah, I feel like I’m reading something about you that I understand. And that means we’ll have like a jumping off point.

Yeah. And then, yeah, if they’re wearing something that you think is whatever, like the complete opposite, you’re going to be like, oh, I won’t like you. Like, or I’m less likely to like you, which maybe it’s not useful, but like you’re doing that right for, for better or worse. Um, you want to jump into fashion week? Let’s do it. Um, okay. So what did you, what was, can you describe your part in like this most recent Sydney

Mercedes Benz fashion week? Or was it still Mercedes Benz? Off to pay, isn’t it? Off to pay fashion week. Do they have like a local thing or are they local? Off to pay is like an Australian company. I don’t know. I couldn’t tell you. Off to pay is an Australian company. Off to pay is fucking grim. We were driving to like, to this exhibition and Matt pointed out like a payday loan, like

a new payday loan. Yeah. Money now. Yeah. And Matt was telling me the ad. It’s like the tagline was like, never worry about whether you can get fries with that. Yeah. And literally my eyes started, I was feeling so fragile this weekend. Yeah. So I was like starting to like really well up. I was like, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not another fucking pay later, payday bullshit.

Like fuck. Yeah. Yeah. This sucks. It’s all a scam. Damn, that’s even worse than Mercedes-Benz because Mercedes-Benz is like, you actually need 200 grand to get into the shop. You can’t have this. Yeah. Damn. Okay. Well, anyway. Stop breaking my heart. That’s the like sort of corporate shell of it. Yeah. What was your part in the after pay week in Sydney?

Um, I worked for all is a gentle spring under the insanely talented, gracious Izzy, who is a real idol to me, I’d like to say. Um, she has run the brand online mainly and had a few pop-ups since she started it.

Um, and it’s really taken off in the past few years, I think, because she specializes in corsetry and that has obviously, it’s obviously having its time in the spotlight right now a lot. And the products she makes is very, it focuses on quality.

She’s a powerhouse of knowledge. She knows all about finishes and periods and, you know, what fabrics look good against silhouettes and stuff, you know? And, um, she reads a lot about this is how she keeps informed.

Um, but I was very honored when she reached out to me through Instagram. So I’d been a fan of the brand for a while and I went to a pop-up she had in, uh, Darlinghurst, I think the year before and introduced myself as a screen printer.

And when we went to have a meeting, I thought I’d just be making corsets for her, but she showed me this design of the finale dress and I was like, fuck. I was like, oh shit, this is going to be, this is going to be a real big job. I was very, very, very honored.

Yeah. I was a, I was a bit like, I really hope I can pull this off and bring her vision to life. That’s where you want to be, right? We were talking about this, like you want to be a little bit scared. Yeah. A healthy amount of fear is good. Always. It’s never think of yourself high, like super highly.

You know what I mean? Like, don’t think you’re the shit. Be gracious. Yeah. Um, so what did she show you? Did she show you like patterns or like a sketch? Yep. She showed me a really good, um, tech drawing. I’d like to call it, which is essentially just, uh, digitally created outline drawing.

Okay. And she showed me a great mood board as well of, um, how she wants like the cuffs finished, which was buttons and button loops. And then where she wanted the underbust corset. So I think a lot of things people can’t see in the dress is that it is a underbust bodice

with spiral steel boning in it, which is something she really pushed for in the show. Everyone should know like all the boning is spiral steel, except for the tartan bodice. I think that’s rigiline, but that might change as well. Um, and spiral steel is expensive and it’s really good quality.

So that obviously elevated the bust. And then there’s a mesh sash across the bust and it is a silk bias cut gown. Okay. Yeah. That’s cool. She had like a very specific idea in mind. She had the vision in her mind and she brought it to you.

She’s like, and you made the whole dress. Yes. Amazing. The pattern was made by a really incredible pattern maker in Melbourne. Um, she has access to a really great pattern making program, which does like a 3d rendering of the dress and how it looks out of the fabric.

And that pattern was delivered so fast. It was like shockingly fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay. So, so like that, yeah, it sounds like a really cool, like, uh, move for you and like, yeah, great opportunity. Um, congrats. And it seems like you totally pulled it off. Like you did it. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It worked. Yeah. Nailed it. It was a happy ending. And then I guess you get to like see it. Cause I’m always interested like in, yeah. What’s the like final product, like, you know, across all mediums, it’s like you might release a record and like some records you’re like seeing it live was the ultimate expression or some is like, I’ve been listening to this record by myself for 10 years and I haven’t

even shown anyone. Like, is that where that piece lives? Like on the runway or whatever? So it is the finale gown, which it will be available for purchase, but it will be a kind of made to measurement, very customized process.

I believe. I’m not sure if the pattern will be graded or not yet, but it will be a lot more expensive than the other products in the new collection.

I was employed as a speciality dressmaker is what my title was. And again, Izzy was kind enough to credit me in the like very close credits on the beautiful poster that she had made. So my full name’s there, which is a really big switch to what I’m used to, which is like,

nobody knows that I did that. I’m not allowed to post anything about it. I can say it, but you know. You’re not allowed to post. Oh, just for stuff that I’ve done in the past. Like you sign NDAs and it’s working with big celebrities. You can’t take photos of them or anything.

No faces. No, no. Yeah. I had the same kind of contract for that Sony shoot I did recently. They were like, you cannot post anything like from the date. Yeah. I think it was a bit casual. Everyone was like posting pics of like BTS. Like without. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like it’s different in different cases.

Yeah. Um, so yeah, like this is a good, like place to like talk about, um, accreditation and kind of looping back to what we were talking about interns. Um, like, do you have anything you wanted to say about like, how are we going to set this up? Like, I want to get, I want to get a fucking. Well, that feels a bit leading.

Yeah. Um, but could we, like, did you go see other shows or was there just like, what are you and your friends talking about? Like the vibe? Like, is that something. The vibe of fashion in general. What do you thought was like, cause sometimes we’re like, ah, nothing’s cool in the art scene at the moment. And sometimes we’re like, fuck, that was sick. There’s a lot going on. Yeah. Like what was the general, like from, I mean, it’s just you and your friends perspective,

but were you like hyped about it or were you? I was hyped. Um, I was really, really, really happy to see Nickel and Ford do a runway show. They’ve been one of my favorite brands since I was like fucking 15 or some shit. Always walk past their shop in Newtown and like see them both working in there.

I think they brought the most stunning stuff to the table. It was really, really beautiful. Um, Alex Higgins as well. Insanely good. All is a gentle spring. So, so good. Um, but the general vibe of fashion week for me as a maker and having worked in this industry

for quite a few years now, um, a job is a job. As long as I get paid, I don’t mind. Oh, I do mind what I have to do sometimes, but if I’m getting paid, I know that the stress and pressure I’m under, I’m, I’m getting paid for, you know, I don’t think it’s right or ethical

to not pay young people that are sacrificing a lot of their time to create stuff for a show, hoping that they get accreditation and, um, some kind of, you know, it’s the word.

You’re going to have to edit this video. Like even like the, the, um, stuff we were saying about mentors earlier, you know, some kind of like feeling. Knowledge. Yeah. You’ve grown from that experience. Yeah. As long as everyone feels like, yeah, they’ve grown or sometimes you even work a job and you’re like, well, I learned that I don’t like doing that anymore.

You know, at least I know that now and, or I don’t like being surrounded by people on this level of energy in a workplace. Maybe I need to go into something a little bit calmer or make sure I do the work from home by myself. Or if you do like that energy and it keeps you motivated, then maybe that’s what works for

you. But I don’t think it’s right and ethical to not pay people to design and produce work that’s going under your name. It’s also unfair on the artists that produce the work for when they want to release their

own stuff and people compare it to their work that was in another person’s show. I, I, I’d hate that if that happened to me, especially since designing is a personal process and as much as fashion revolves around vanity for some people, for true designers and people

in fashion, it really comes from a personal place. Every finish, every touch, every silhouette that you’re referencing, fabrics, fibers, like it’s all research. It’s all time you’ve spent learning about this. And yeah, I just don’t think it’s right to not pay people.

Yeah. Did that, like we can edit this out or whatever, but did, did that happen a lot during this fashion week? Like, was there a sense that a lot of people went unpaid? Like that was like a trend? I don’t think a lot of people went, I don’t know too much. Obviously I know about some shows in particular, but I think for the most part, good people,

good designers, like the ones I spoke about before would have definitely paid everybody appropriately. And fashion week is fucking expensive. Yeah. It’s fucking expensive to put on a show, just renting the area to start with and then having to get sponsors and all the money you spend on fabrics and machinery, compiling a guest

list, like press, everything. It’s insanely, ridiculously expensive. Yeah. And you’re taking a, like a huge risk, you know? Um, and you hope it pays off. Yeah. So. Yeah. Right. So it’s like, I actually don’t know, like, is the point of fashion week for like all of

these like producers, like what would you call them? Designers? Like, um, is the point to make money at the end of the day, like you’re going to have to make your money back, right? Yeah. Of course the point is to market and sell your products and be picked up by buyers and have press advertise you.

That’s definitely the point. But at the end of the day, and this isn’t a bad thing at all, especially if you work so hard on it, but the point is to sell your products. Like a hundred percent. Yeah. What’s the point of making clothes if they’re not worn? Yeah. A hundred percent. And there’s no, like, it’s like on this podcast. I mean, yeah, sometimes we’ve spoken to people who are like, I don’t care about selling, but

we’re very much like resistant to any of that. Yeah. Like, oh, I don’t really like, I couldn’t feel comfortable selling my stuff or some like, yeah, you should just do it for the love of the game. Like, nah, like, nah. Oh man. Like. You’re on the back. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s not a dirty word in any way.

And like the stuff we’re talking about, like circular economies and like the value of like in the face of, yeah, some like pretty crappy, like mega scale capitalism. Yeah. Like one of the best solutions at the moment feels like it’s to like, you know, build these communities. Yeah. Build small, medium sized communities and like sustain each other.

And yeah, like it feels great. Like it feels fucking great when we, you know, buy a work from like a show that we love. Like that’s awesome. Like we’ve got heaps of a friend’s art in our houses. Yeah. It’s beautiful. Yeah. And it lives a whole nother life with you. Like I got like paintings in my bedroom that I like wake up to every day. You’ve got paintings in here that you see all the time and like, it’s part of your space.

Yeah. Clothes are even more intimate than that or can be intimate in another way. They literally physically are like touching yourself. They like become you in this beautiful way. So yeah. Like, uh, uh, yeah. A hundred percent. Like we got to say like, make your money, please. Please. Yeah. You were asking us like, why? Like, would you have Indigo on the podcast?

And like, yeah. Like to me, like fashion. Yeah. I mean, the clothes you wear, it’s like, it’s even more intimate than like the pictures I have up. It’s like, I’m physically like touching this for my whole life. You know, like how many time, like how many minutes are you spent clothed versus like totally in the nude? Like 90% of depends who you are.

But like for most of us, most of the people listening, like it’s probably like 95% of the day. Like let’s say between 70 and like a hundred. A hundred percent. Like it’s, it’s such a like, um, important thing for like humans and society and like socializing. Yeah. So that’s why to answer your question.

Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I feel like we’ve like covered all of our points. We literally like did bang, bang, bang. Like we hit all the points on the notes app. We did good. Yeah. Um, do you have any like upcoming like shows or exhibitions or anything that you want to plug? Yes. Um, I’d like to plug my friend Josh, who has a brand called fragile minds that I’ve been

doing some production work for. Everything is made by his hands, my hands. Um, a friend of his called Dallas does sewing. Yeah. I know Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, hope to meet him one day. Um, and then he’s got guys like cutting out the stuff and printing it, but that will be a very exciting event. Um, is that, um, in like, where is that and when it’s still being organized, but Josh releases

some very, very cool collections. Cool. Um, I have a little personal project in the works working on my own little collection, which is exciting. Um, I haven’t seen that online. Is this a, is this the scoop?

Are we getting first mentioned? Yeah, I guess you guys are. Um, yes, I think I’d be lying if I didn’t say it’s been in the works since I was like 18. The designs have been there from the start. Um, and I really hope to release it this year and have some form of pop-up either with

other artists or solo. Um, and I really just want people wearing the clothes because I do get a lot of messages about where, where can I buy this? When can I buy it? And I’m like, man, it’s just a sample. I don’t have time to make like how many of these I I’d have to make if I did a drop.

Um, so there’s that. And then I got a fun like photo shoot thing coming up in Brisbane with a talented photographer called red, uh, to kind of showcase more of the wackier costumes that I’ve built over the years. Yeah. That’s a lot of styling work going into that too.

Sick. Um, and some other exciting things coming out that are going to come to the cinema. No shit. Really? Yeah. Okay. Can you talk at all about that or what’s the story? I’m just going to say, I hope you all like Marvel.

All right. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Now we’re making money. Yeah. We don’t need to shut that one out. Yeah. Yeah. We got you. Oh, and obviously Moulin Rouge. Um, yeah. The costumes for that were made in Sydney and I had the honor of working on them and it’s playing at Capitol theater now, I think.

Fuck yeah. So good. The traditional home of Moulin Rouge. Moulin Rouge. Yeah. You might think it’s French, but actually it’s Australian. It’s in Sydney. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks. Thanks so much for coming on the pod tonight. Thanks guys. Yeah. It was a pleasure to meet you properly. Yeah. You too. Yeah. Cool.

So good to meet ya. Thank you. Okay. Great. Laters. See you later. Bye. Yeah.

Guys. Thank you.

Show notes

Indigo @calli_comical is a seamstress working in fashion and film and a commercial screen printer. We chat being non-judgemental on the street; who got paid at sydney fashion week; and getting started in a creative industry.  Follow us on IG for more, @hungup.au